Not sure if this pic has been posted yet, but I found this on Twitter from a random user (Not the most reliable source, I know, but still.)

So I’m not entirely sure if this is accurate, but here’s ONE potential final tally: 160,636,885 units.

Which would be 160.64 million in VGChartz terms.

I talked about masking Vita sales by lumping them in together with other systems.
Do you believe they would undo that effort while the Vita was part of their business? To flaunt a milestone involving older system?
What do you think is more important to their business around that time?

I don't think I've interacted with you before, but I'm also not one to engage in console warring in my 10 years here. So that may be why.
You claim not to be emotionally invested, but you've gotten yourself banned several times in the past year, all over console war/sales threads.

Waiting 8 months is far from 'can't wait'.
And putting this info several clicks deep into a website, is hardly 'shouting it from the rooftops'.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt in the first paragraph where you seem to have either missunderstood, or not read what I said about masking the Vita sales.
No one should have to repeat themselves multiple times because someone pretends to not have read their rebuttal.

Playstation seems to be doing well.



But regardless of how successful or not you consider the company, excecs command very high salaries because they are hyper focused on profit. As we are typing this, they are worried about how to meet their next sales forecasts. Even in their off time.
If they paid even a fraction of the mind a very niche group of people do to a pissing contest over a system that stopped making money ages ago, they wouldn't be in their position.
I think the notion that the people laughing all the way to the bank, thinking about which part of the workforce to cut next year, are 'terrified' that 'PS2 is in a lot of trouble' and that they would deliberately fabricate sales figures to this end is rooted in unhealthy and unrealistic attachment, and/or ragebait.
Saying "Sony/Nintendo/Xbox is..." when actually meaning "you people are..." by association, aimed at the other camp.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that this 160M figure is a matter of miscommunication, as the Anniversary site isn't sales figure oriented. However, it now also appears on their their "Business Data & Sales" page, so that seems less likely. Although the date doesn't seem updated.

But what is your logic behind fabricating sales numbers for the purpose of enhancing its standing as the highest selling console, and then not state that it is?

And by the way, how would the excec that signed off on this explain fabricated sales figures to the rest of them?
Or do you think they have nothing better to do than have board meetings to conspire fabricated sales together for an old system that stopped making them money ages ago?

You said you believe they expect Switch to join the 160M club. But even if Switch sells 900 Billion units, PS2 would still be "one of the best selling consoles" regardless. Out of a list of 50+ (including handhelds), only one system would be above it in this scenario.
If I release a console that sells one unit, it doesn't change the fact that the Atari 5200 is still one of the worst selling consoles of all time. Despite selling a million times better. It's still bottom 54 out of 55.
They fabricated sales so they could say what they would already be able to say?

Btw, Playstation is literally a byproduct of the Nintendo Playstation system being cancelled.
So when Shuhei Yoshida today announced his retirement in a blog post, to the surprise of no one when he talked about his history with the company, he mentioned how part of their original team were making Super Nintendo games.

You can't talk about PlayStation's history without acknowledging that Nintendo was literally part of it.
These are just normal conversations for normal people. But in a fringe corner of the internet, they're ammo for a pissing contest.

If the Famicom was a byproduct of a Playstation collaboration being cancelled, they'd mention PlayStation a lot more often.

But as it stands, they don't have a lot of fond memories to mention about that collaboration, do they?

Wow did the Ps3 nearly kill that company.

Wasn't the 155M as of march 2012 shipped numbers ? or were sell in ? Since now it says those are sold.

It’s not that I never forget something or make silly mistakes, but it’s pretty sloppy in any case. Especially for such a big corporation. Why would they have been in such a hurry?

Other thing is, if Sony was so into beating Switch with the PS2, or "moving the goalpost" or doing what they do just for that (announcing late 160M numbers) they should care about beating other close Nintendo consoles such as the Gameboy with the PS4. Yet they didn't produce 1.5M more to beat the 118.7M figure. Was that so hard ?

Sony sold "more than 155 million units" to costumers till march 2012. This is there they changed tracking "shipped" to sold. Sony shipped 155,1 million units as of march 2012. Thats fact. People asumed, th PS2 did SHIP 158- 159 million back then because also we thought the difference must be quite high, as consoles that old do not sell that well anymore. Many people forgot that the final number they announced as "shipped" was 155,1 million. IF it was 155,1 million SOLD that would have been a bot different. 158/159 million to 160/161 million wouldn't be that sort of a stretch, but 155,1- 160 or even 162 million what reddit asumed would be. It would also make PS3 numbers false the more they add to PS2 even strenghen the chances it did not catch the XBox 360 wich was at 84 million in june 2014 alone! As we know they lumped PS3 and PS4 together. So: 155,1 million SHIPPED vs more than 155 million sold makes the difference between shipped and sold  less than 100k. Are you with me? No way in hell Sony shipped another 5- 7 million units in a timeframe of 10 months! This number stinks independent what Sony says. And they should take care and prevent a tax investigation. About the PS4's total of 117,2 million after discontinuation: Wait 5- 10 years when they "suddenly" announce in lying...ähm loving memory of 119,69 million sold PS4s.🤣

I don't know why the answer has to land exactly on top the strict dichotomy of "Sony does not care" or "Sony couldn't wait to announce it". I doubt Sony is putting much through or resources into playing mind games but they are not above an indirect jab by way of announcing more specific numbers now, it doesn't cost them anything.

Also, has there ever been a case where a company lied about sales numbers in an official capacity? And I am not talking about lumping consoles together or other ways to obfuscate numbers but directly lying about units moved? Why would they do it now, when it has no financial impact?

Sony changed the "sold" as "shipped to warehouse" years before 2012. Might have been as early as 2007. Well, likely 2007 because PS3 didn't sell and Sony needed to bloat the numbers somehow.

What many of you looking at sales numbers likely do not take into account, is manufacturing contracts: how many units Sony have bought to be manufactured. There's certain volume a product line needs to make and Sony likely wanted to maximise the manufacture.
Second thing is, that how many units have been manufactured as spare parts or replacement units in case Sony needs to replace systems under warranty after the manufacturing have ended. A decade later accounting have made the writeoffs for the systems, no matter what happened to them.