Like an ex-CEO doesn't have relationships or access to data after his 32 years with the company. That's the number posted and confirmed by Sony. The only eternal loop is every few weeks/months someone in denial acts like a kid in a grocery store when he doesn't get his favorite cereal and uses this thread to complain about Sony.

The image above is all that matters now, beat the number or don't. It's not that big of a deal. People just need to stop whining and making shit up like "Sony won't let Nintendo win". It sounds absolutely ridiculous. Nintendo more than likely doesn't even give a shit about this number but one thing is for sure, when Sony announced over 160M it broke the hearts of a lot of online Nintendo supporters who base their entire online persona of being able to beat Sony's hardware record. it's childish and silly and they need to move on from that line of thinking. 

This thread could be a way more productive if people just accepted the 160M figure, communicate with Trunks on what his threshold is for how high he's tracking PS2 and just month after month track the sales, add it up and talk about how close Switch is getting over time and if it beats it, then great celebrate. That's it, that's all people have to do at this point. 

There's a poster in the Famitsu threads who tracks Japan Xbox sales week after week. He adds 165 or 250 or whatever the number is in an ongoing chart and just tracks it. No one gives him shit and he does this reliably every week and he's happy to do it to the show the totals. That's all that has to be done at this point with Switch 1 sales compared to PS2 numbers. The point is the sour grapes posting has got to stop at this point. It makes the thread a laughing stock with the low quality of posting going on. 160M is real and no amount of complaining or closing their eyes to the number is going to change that.  

Even if the 160m update never happened and 158.7m was still the PS2 total on here things would still be looking bad for the Switch's odds of getting there. Forget 160m, even 159m is looking very unlikely at this point. It looks like it'll hold up relatively well in Japan this holiday but that's not enough to make up for its sales potentially collapsing YoY in the west. December is more important but an 80% drop YoY for Black Friday week in Spain is a really rough data point and the drops are basically guaranteed to be massive in the US this holiday due to the price increase.

At this point I think the only way it beats the PS2 is if Nintendo fully commits to manufacturing enough to beat the record regardless of how low demand gets so they keep shipping low amounts for the next few years to make it barely crawl there eventually. I view that scenario as extremely unlikely.

Its not just me who needs him back. We all do. If rol were to come back and throw in the towel i would follow. But until then i have nothing else but to go with his last stated position. So much has happened since his last post and i think i speak for everyone when i say we are all a bit lost without his guidance so excuse me if im not throwing out the most plausible or well thought out statements at the moment. Its been months since we last heard anything from him. 

If the system is not selling enough, even if they produce small amounts, it may not be enough. I mean there is a certain point of amount it needs to be sold and shipped and produced each month and quarter in order to get there even by 2030 if you want. for example if the system is doing 5k per week worldwide for 5 years that's 20k per month roughly and that's 240k per year. That is 1.2M for 5 years, which won't be enough. For example if Switch has shipped 156M by end of March or around that number what was the actual forecast, and ship 157.5M by end of march 2027, then it will remain 2.5M more. Even if Nintendo keeps producing and selling the Switch till let's say march 2030, it will need to sell a certain amount to reach that number for those 3 remaining years. If we divide 2.5M on 36 months we get 70k. So if Switch does not sell average 70k or more per month for those 3 years (if for example the shipments are at 157.5M by march 2027), it won't get to 160M. I wrote similar post before, where my point was the same, since someone also said that if Nintendo keeps producing it it will eventually get there. No, it still may not, cuz even then it depends on what the sales actually are. It needs not only to keep producing it for a few years, but to meet certain level of sales in that time.

If the forecast is met it'll be at 156.1m though it could be slightly higher or lower depending on how things go. It could take even longer for them to be sold to consumers yeah but if they really cared enough they could ship enough to get to 161m and then stop and then wait how ever long it takes for the remaining stock to get sold. If they did care enough to do something like that though then I doubt they'd have increased the price of it in certain countries a few months ago so I'd be super surprised if they did decide to take this path.

That is what I am saying, They can't just ship whatever they want, just for the target. The shipments are based on the sales. If sales are low, they can't overship too much. If the Switch has sold for example 200k in three months, they can't ship 3M just to reach a certain number. If Switch reach 157.5M or even 158M in March 2027, the system needs to sell at least 60-70k monthly on average, for them to be able to ship those 2M more. Shipments are based on what the system sells. If the system sells 20k per month, you ship 25k for the month, you don't ship 100k. If Switch is selling too low, their shipments will be lower than needed to reach the milestone, even if they continue till 2030.

If they cared enough (as you said) this wouldn't be the way to do it. The way would be to slash the price by at least 50$ this year, (instead of increase it) and call it a day. Or even more extreme (normal for 10 years prior) just slash 100$ permanent last year, and you got the 160M in the bag.

I agree we should go with data. That's why I called your attention when you brought up that 160,636,885 production number. Even if Shawn Layden has relationships or access to data after his 32 years with the company, that number is not offical, at least that's how I see it.

And since the official information says OVER 160 million, it is not a set in stone number. Sony CAN toy with the PS2 sales number whenever it wants until it declares a concrete number. That's what I mean when I said Nintendo couldn't produce Switch units to pass the PS2

Today I find this kind of topic is way more productive and fun than the "What is PS2's final sales number", btw

They did it early though (in connection to Switch passing 155M of course, otherwise too late, they should do it in 2013). They could wait till the latest 154M announcement from Nintendo or some of the previous 152, 153M ones to call the 160M. 

Right that's why I said it's extremely unlikely cause overshipping the Switch 1 like that to break a record that would have no real impact on their business so would be incredibly strange since Furukawa has shown good business sense thus far. The only way it could feasibly happen really is if it would get very close under normal circumstances so they decide to give it an extra push to make it but it's not looking like it's gonna get that close.