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jvmkdg said:

with Final Fantasy VII Part 2, Dragon Quest and a new Monster Hunter World 2. The PS5 could even outsell the Nintendo Wii in Japan. I didn't think this was possible a year ago.

I still think it won't pass PS4 sales in Japan. Those games you listed the PS4 had and it still sold worse than the PS3. While right now it's outdoing the PS4 you have to think once the Switch 2 drops it will slow down a lot.



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zorg1000 said:
Megiddo said:

Gotta love thinly veiled port begging that utterly fails to see the upward global momentum that the Final Fantasy franchise continues to have.

Upward global momentum? Didn’t XV ship 5 million in its opening weekend while XVI did 3 million?

Keyword being "ship" as it was holiday season and "Day 1" copies were still readily available at retailers years after its release.



Switch's 2023, it's 7th year, may well outsell it's 2019/3rd year if this momentum keeps up, which would be almost unprecendented.

Granted, 2019 has an incredibly strong second half with the system's first mainline Pokemon plus the Lite, but 2023 is about 30%/500k ahead, plus Super Mario Bros Wonder has the potential to be a massive system seller.



RedKingXIII said:
jvmkdg said:

with Final Fantasy VII Part 2, Dragon Quest and a new Monster Hunter World 2. The PS5 could even outsell the Nintendo Wii in Japan. I didn't think this was possible a year ago.

The PS4 had all of these franchises and it didn't outsold the Wii.

How do the 89% drop on the second week of FFXVI compare to the other mainline FF entries? Seems like a pretty harsh drop.

FF13, 15 and 7R all had a drop of exactly 90%.



Megiddo said:

zorg1000 said:

Upward global momentum? Didn’t XV ship 5 million in its opening weekend while XVI did 3 million?

Keyword being "ship" as it was holiday season and "Day 1" copies were still readily available at retailers years after its release.

5mil shipped in one day and 3mil shipped after 6 days.

Sure, we don't know how the exact sell through of either was, but saying there is an upward momentum is not based on anything and might as well be made up bullshit.



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Megiddo said:

zorg1000 said:

Upward global momentum? Didn’t XV ship 5 million in its opening weekend while XVI did 3 million?

Keyword being "ship" as it was holiday season and "Day 1" copies were still readily available at retailers years after its release.

So…….what is the evidence for “upward global momentum”?

Shipped+digital opening is down 40%

UK retail sales down 74%

Japan retail sales down 53%


Where is the upward momentum?



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It is a different industry today compared to 20-25 years ago in terms of marketshare.

Striking 3rd party exclusive deals w/ Sony back then was a no-brainer because PlayStation was head and shoulders above everyone else in the marketplace. The PS1 and PS2 owned a whopping 71% and 74% of the console market share respectively. If you want to extend it towards the handhelds, the closest competitors to the PS1 and PS2 were the Game Boy line and the hardware and spec gap between the Game Boy line and the PS1/PS2 was SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER and more noticeable than the gap between the Switch and the PS4/PS5 and Xbox One/Xbox Series. To the point where they were different branches of the same market, if not different markets altogether.

Now? Not so much. The gap has shrunken so considerably that w/ the right effort and staff, you can have a perfectly functional and playable Switch version of 3rd party games to release alongside its PS/XB counterparts, even the PS5 and Xbox Series, and it will sell decently because the Switch's hybrid/portable factor is a big enough reason to set itself apart from the beefier PS/XB versions that run better. You don't even need top of the line staff to pull all kinds of fancy software development or crunching tricks to get it running well. Just as long as they don't phone it in and treat it seriously, the Switch versions of these games will run just fine.

Performance vs. Portability is a genuine topic of interest and discussion when it comes to consumers' tastes. It's not like before w/ the GameCube, Wii, and Wii U versions of those games' respective PS/XB consoles (PS2, PS3, PS4, Xbox, 360, XOne), where you were getting the inferior version in every way, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. The Switch may still be technically and graphically inferior, but the one thing it offers that the other versions cannot is a VERY big thing -
ESPECIALLY in Japan, where it is THE thing.

In the case of Final Fantasy case, Square might have been able to get away with it before because back then, Sony was the clearcut market leader in every aspect. Even the PS2 ended up outselling the GBA and if you want to split the OG Game Boy and the GBC, the PS1 ended up outselling the GBC. Sony had such a huge advantage, they could even outright pressure devs into developing games exclusively for PlayStation or not develop them at all if they wanted too. Which back then would've been business suicide for a lot of these smaller 3rd party/indie devs. But for Square, this was not really that big of a deal because Sony was the market leader, and back then, they had a MUCH better working relationship w/ them than Microsoft, who had just entered the market and they had to build that relationship from scratch, and especially Nintendo, where THOSE relations were still sour from their exit from the N64 during FF7's development.

But now? The game has changed drastically. the Square/Nintendo relationship has SIGNIFICANTLY improved. To the point where it is almost like that beef never happened and they have been good buddies this whole time. They get along very well w/ Microsoft too. And Sony's market share is nowhere close to what it was back then, ESPECIALLY in Japan where Nintendo just rules the market w/ an iron fist. So those exclusive deals that were very beneficial for Square Enix and others back then? They are not so beneficial anymore. In fact, they do more harm than good. That is why you see more and more 3rd party games that used to be PlayStation exclusive back in the PS2-PS3 and even PS4 days, are now going multiplatform. And if Square Enix wants to give Final Fantasy a real shot in the arm, especially in their home country, they better do the same.



Switch shows it doesn't want to retire anytime soon



Bofferbrauer2 said:

Switch shows it doesn't want to retire anytime soon

Awesome.

Reminds of the latter years of the PS2.



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