This is just bending over backwards to protect PS2's legacy. On several occasions the Vita has been suggested to be higher than 11.71 million lmao. Now all of a sudden this is realistic? The very site you're on at one time suggested as high 15 to 16 million but now this 11.71 million is realistic? This is about 2 million less than WiiU, that's realistic now? Of course it is now because the fear of Switch is that real for you lol. Any source that moves the goalpost for PS2 is good in your book. 

~User was warned for this and other posts~

I wonder what the mods think of this reply? I call out the very obvious inconsistency of PS hardware sales and you don't even bother to dispute my post? 

Edit: Thanks Extreme! Evilms, why would a Nintendo fan fear a platform that is this far behind launch aligned? Nintendo would have to deliberately discontinue Switch at this point. There is no fear from Nintendo, I have called out this goalpost moving for PS2 on other sites. It's annoying as hell and sad at the same time because it proves this isn't about being accurate but more about console warrior stuff. 

I don't know if that final comment is halfway aimed at me because I was the one that replied to your other comment, but for the record I don't care what the final number would be. It is what it is, if it is a fact. If Sony reports PS2 did 161.2M, it sold 161.2M. If Sony reports it sold 157.9M, it sold that. I even don't care of they come out and report it sold 175.3M, because then it sold 175.3M.

But that's the, and my, point though; we still don't know either way. What we now have is an off-hand comment by Jim Ryan on a personal note, and not an official release. 'Sony' didn't say anything, Jim Ryan did. He's also not 'lying', because what he said can be explained in a variety of ways, and him rounding a number, in any direction, in the context he said it is a valid interpretation. You're even proving yourself that we haven't gotten any wiser at all with this information, and in your calculation you just assume Vita's final numbers, because again we don't know them for sure. What if that system did actually sell 14M, which by your own admission is a possibility, what are the PS2's sales then? 157M? 157 could be rounded to 160. Maybe Vita sold even less than 11.7M and that 7M final fiscal is true, could be, 162 could also be rounded to 160. Or are PS3's sales maybe actually lower? Maybe Jim Ryan really wasn't rounding any number, 160 is correct, and they actually shipped exactly 160.0M PS2s for some reason.

We just don't know, it can still be anything. All I do know is that if Switch ends up between 155 and 160, the discussion on which one 'won' will never end if Sony also never discloses an accurate number.

What is funny is that in the table, Wikipedia has it at 160.2m (as of March 31, 2013). I think it's a typo, otherwise there's no clue from where they have the addtional 200k.

Funny that few years ago, Vita selling more than WiiU was posed as a fact. But now they are okay in assuming the Vita as worst selling main system from the big 3.

The despair is palpable

Seems there's a bit of a war going on at Wikipedia over this, with back and forth unregistered edits to the 160 number and then those being reverted back towards the last official 155 number by others.

Do my words fall upon deaf ears?

Both of you, knock it off.

What in my post is comparable to Evilms posting salt memes? 

First of all I was just throwing a thought. Nintendo can revive their systems too. Second, no I am not talking about mini consoles, or systems, that can't play native games in it's original form. I am talking about brand new SKU to the system with all available option the original one had, and some even better. Just like a Pro console. So for PS2, the last model was SCPH 9000, So I am saying SCPH 10 000 for example. Just like a PS4 Pro, play and works just like the original console but better. Of course this will probably never happened, but it would be interesting. And nintendo can join too of course, however not with mini consoles, but with the same machines they once sold, of course modernized, but to also be able to play natively the same old games the previos models can.