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IcaroRibeiro said:

At this point we can all agree at least 8-10 million Xbox Series X/S were originally meant to be PS5 purchases but turned to XBOX due to lack of stock

Sony is likely never recovering those sales, they will need to expand their market if they want to surpass PS4, however growing Markets in Asia and LATAM are price sensitive and their current pricing strategy is not helping them to make waves there

PS5 lifetime sales will likely sit in 105-110 million units range

Maybe even more.



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Soundwave said:
XtremeBG said:

Very good comment, I absolutely agree with you here. Even though I like PS, and even Xbox, the peak and maybe even the reason if you want, I loved both of the systems was exactly their peak products, or generations if you will (PS3&360). It is only downwards in every possible way since then. Growth ? It's only on the decline by every criteria. And the sales used to be in a growth or this was the general consensus at least,  (by speed in the sales life) but if you look real after all is said and done PS4&XB1 only barely match the PS360, and now the PS5&XBSX are probably ending way worse than those 170-175M of units. (By the way PS360 number is 173M, not 172M). Because of the Xbox mostly of course, however PS5 doing worse than PS4 is not excluded as well. I am 50/50 here, cuz till now the sales are almost equal. It can go either way. I can also see PS5 doing better because the end years of PS4 were very bad. The years till 2018 PS5 will probably match them easily. (only 2 to go). 2019 is 14M and if there aren't next gen consoles announced by 2026 and even 2027, PS5 doing more than 14M I think it's not so hard and PS5 doing more than 8M in 2027 also is easy. For example PS5 announcement came very early, as early as the peak period of PS4 - 2018. This in my opinion was big mistake and if this didn't happen till let's say summer of 2020 (how it should've been) PS4 would surely sold at least 5 maybe even 10M more in this period (2018-2020). So the catch you are talking about can be easily done, but not in the peak year (I assume 2023 to 2026) but in it's later years after 2026 where PS4 sold 14, 8, and 2M units respectively. Why they doubt themselves is beyond me. It's stupid and a sign of weakness and uncertainty. About the PS5 Pro, personally I am 50/50 if they will launch it this holiday, or will wait till next year. However there is a chance they launch in the next year, and why not the next fiscal year even. (after march 2025). GTA VI also is coming 2026. This is a well known fact from beginning. And logical one with that too. GTA V launched end of 2013, and was announced end of 2011. 2 Years. GTA VI was announced end of 2023. The 2 years gap is end of 2025. However the games took way more time then 10 years ago to develop and release, GTA VI is much bigger game, every following GTA has taken more time to develop than the previous and every next on of them has take more time between announcement and release too. Also every other big Rockstar games in the last 20 years has gotten delayed. So the bigges game of Rockstar yet won't follow the pattern, and take more time between announcement and release, won't delay, and will launch in the year they originally put in their trailer despite that not being the case with almost every big Rockstar games in the last 20 years ? I very much doubt it. GTA VI is launching 2026 at the earliest. Mark my words. 2027 is not out of the question too. 80% 2026, 20% 2027. Pin my comment about that. I want to bid with  someone.

Soundwave said:

It's not a terrible number but it's a number that seems to be a roof for them and obviously far below the PS2 highs. My other concern with that number would be surely if XBox is bleeding customers you would expect Sony to rise but it doesn't seem to be the case, Sony is just selling their normal amount even as the Xbox brand burns into irrelevance. Are we headed to a norm where like Sony sells 110 million consoles/gen, XBox is gone entirely and that's just it? That's a far cry from even the days of the PS3 + 360 when they sold 172 million consoles. 

I agree with you about the roof. PS360 sold 173M, PS4XB1 sold 175. What are the odds that from all possible numbers from the bottom to the top possibilities of sales for 2 competitive consoles, you will drop right at the almost same point ? This is are all the same people that bought the PS2 and OGXB, then they bought 360 and PS3, then PS4&XB1. Maybe there is new one here and there, but for more than 20 years the total number of both to be between 170 and 180M it means no growth or no decline (till 2020 at least, we are still yet to see the current gen total numbers). But that's not the point. It's like decline, cuz the point of everything in the world is to grow and to be better than before. Being on the same place for more than 20 years is not a growth, it's a pure decline. You even gave me idea. You said the gen will sell maybe more than PS1 gen numbers of around 140M ? I think it may do a little bit better, but it can go either way. However I got the idea to compare them and to add my newest comparison - PS5 & XBSX vs DS numbers which are ~20M down from PS4&XB1. 154M is ideal comparison for the current gen combined numbers.

My guess is 

112 million PS5s

38 million XBox Series S/X (dropping hard now)

For 150 million total. 

Not bad, but not really what I would call great either. Way below the 360 + PS3 and a decline from the PS4 + XBox though that's not all Sony's fault as MS is crashing and burning. 

I wonder if PS6 is going to be like just 105-110 million flat and almost nothing from XBox until MS just leaves stationary hardware if this trend continues. 

This isn't a good pattern to have declining hardware while you have massively increase in the cost of software. Like that's not a healthy balance. 

Of Sony's first 4 home consoles, only PS3 was below 100 million because of

-High price for the first years

-A sluggish stream of quality software at first.

-Stiff direct competition from Xbox and indirect competition from Nintendo

PS5 is on track to sell similarly to PS4, though I too think it will fall short of PS4's total.

Short of the console market falling off a cliff or mistakes similar to the PS3, there's little chance PS6 doesn't crack 100 million. 

PlayStation home consoles are more consistent than Xbox or Nintendo home consoles. 



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 115 million (was 105 million) Xbox Series S/X: 48 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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Wman1996 said:

Of Sony's first 4 home consoles, only PS3 was below 100 million because of

-High price for the first years

-A sluggish stream of quality software at first.

-Stiff direct competition from Xbox and indirect competition from Nintendo

PS5 is on track to sell similarly to PS4, though I too think it will fall short of PS4's total.

Short of the console market falling off a cliff or mistakes similar to the PS3, there's little chance PS6 doesn't crack 100 million. 

PlayStation home consoles are more consistent than Xbox or Nintendo home consoles. 

I am pretty sure that if PS3 was slashed half the price in it's last years, just like PS2 or at least to 199$ (for the 500GB model, and 149$ for the 12GB), it would reach 100M, and because it would sell more units than what it did, Sony would left it on the market till 2020 and not 2016.



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Alex_The_Hedgehog said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

At this point we can all agree at least 8-10 million Xbox Series X/S were originally meant to be PS5 purchases but turned to XBOX due to lack of stock

Sony is likely never recovering those sales, they will need to expand their market if they want to surpass PS4, however growing Markets in Asia and LATAM are price sensitive and their current pricing strategy is not helping them to make waves there

PS5 lifetime sales will likely sit in 105-110 million units range

Maybe even more.

Thinking about this some more, but the PS5 is almost guaranteed to outsell the PS4, as long as the PS6 launches in 2028. Here are some conservative projections: 

24: 17M 
25: 15M
26: 13M
27: 10M
28: 8M

Even taking a million units off for each of these FY's puts the PS5 right around the PS4. I think I'm lowballing 2025 and 2026 by quite a bit too. Don't forget, the tail end of the PS4's lifecycle was severely impacted by COVID and production issues, or it would be sitting comfortably above 120M+.

Last edited by PotentHerbs - on 25 May 2024

PotentHerbs said:

Thinking about this some more, but the PS5 is almost guaranteed to outsell the PS4, as long as the PS6 launches in 2028. Here are some conservative projections: 

24: 17M 
25: 15M
26: 13M
27: 10M
28: 8M

Even taking a million units off for each of these FY's puts the PS5 right around the PS4. I think I'm lowballing 2025 and 2026 by quite a bit too. Don't forget, the tail end of the PS4's lifecycle was severely impacted by COVID and production issues, or it would be sitting comfortably above 120M+.

That's why I am also on the same opinion. PS4 may had good start and peak years, however after 2019 it wasn't so good, and it's drops were as big as Wii.

I personally would project the calendar years going ahead (suggesting 2028 PS6 launch) like this:

2024 - 19-20M

2025 - 18-20M (normally it should be slight decline here, however because of GTA V and the first full year of PS5 Pro on the market, I expect a little boost and with that to reach the previous year numbers)

2026 - 15-17M

2027 - 12-14M

2028 - 10-12M

2029 to end at least 10M more.

So even going with the worst case scenario here we get to almost 140M. The 26 and 27 years, may gone even lower if Sony do the mistake that they did with the PS5 announcement - doing it 2 full years before release (which resulted in taking some of the sales of the PS4 in 2018, 2019, and even some amount of 2020 imo). So if they don't announce the PS5 until the very same year it will launch, the win over PS4 is sure imo.



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XtremeBG said:

That's why I am also on the same opinion. PS4 may had good start and peak years, however after 2019 it wasn't so good, and it's drops were as big as Wii.

I personally would project the calendar years going ahead (suggesting 2028 PS6 launch) like this:

2024 - 19-20M

2025 - 18-20M (normally it should be slight decline here, however because of GTA V and the first full year of PS5 Pro on the market, I expect a little boost and with that to reach the previous year numbers)

2026 - 15-17M

2027 - 12-14M

2028 - 10-12M

2029 to end at least 10M more.

So even going with the worst case scenario here we get to almost 140M. The 26 and 27 years, may gone even lower if Sony do the mistake that they did with the PS5 announcement - doing it 2 full years before release (which resulted in taking some of the sales of the PS4 in 2018, 2019, and even some amount of 2020 imo). So if they don't announce the PS5 until the very same year it will launch, the win over PS4 is sure imo.

I think your FY24 and FY29 projections are a bit high. But I agree with the rest. The only major factor would be Sony's flexibility on price cuts/promotions. It may be more on the production side this generation, but Sony's premium pricing strategy is also in effect for their hardware. 

Still, Sony does price cuts and promotions for a limited time. I wouldn't be surprised to see a minor but permanent price cut later this year. They also still have the PS5 Pro coming. That represented about 10% of the PS4's lifetime sales. 



Some of your declines seem pretty pessitimic, didn't the PS5 sell around 21 million this past year? Sony themselves are predicting 18 million, which is a 3 million decline. Yet alot of your predictions are predicting 2 million declines for several years. Think we need to dail it back, let's see if it can reach 130.



PotentHerbs said:

I think your FY24 and FY29 projections are a bit high. But I agree with the rest. The only major factor would be Sony's flexibility on price cuts/promotions. It may be more on the production side this generation, but Sony's premium pricing strategy is also in effect for their hardware. 

Still, Sony does price cuts and promotions for a limited time. I wouldn't be surprised to see a minor but permanent price cut later this year. They also still have the PS5 Pro coming. That represented about 10% of the PS4's lifetime sales. 

Why ? First my prediction are about the calendar years not the fiscal ones, as I already point out in my previous comment. Second, the last year was almost 22M for the calendar year. 19-20M is normal decline, and with sales as they are going now maybe the pace is about for 18-19M however I expect the PS5 Pro to launch in the end of the year which may boost them by around 1-2M and therefore 19-20M range for the calendar year. Third, my projection of 2029 is not only for the year after PS6 launch (in the example here is end of 2028) but also for the years after that. So I expect sales somewhat better than PS4 after PS5 launched, so 10M with the 2029 included and the 2030 and 2031 or whatever year is discontinued (something like PS3 or PSP sales after successor's launch). Also I expect at least 1 price cut somewhere down the line. So my numbers are with price cut included.

Phenomajp13 said:

Some of your declines seem pretty pessitimic, didn't the PS5 sell around 21 million this past year? Sony themselves are predicting 18 million, which is a 3 million decline. Yet alot of your predictions are predicting 2 million declines for several years. Think we need to dail it back, let's see if it can reach 130.

It sold almost 22M in 2023 calendar year. And again I am talking about calendar years here not FY ones, so the prediction of 18M is slightly moved here. So 22M to 19-20M range for 2024 (with possible Pro model coming out in the holidays) is pretty realistic. Some of the declines I explained in the previous post why I think so. But yes, at this point I can't throw exact projection or prediction yet, But I think it will be somewhere there - a tad better than PS4, when all is said and done. Maybe 130, maybe little more than that.

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Just imagine where the system would be if they actually released consistent (quality) games and dropped the price. The fact the system has been the same or more for 4 years is astounding.



Tridrakious said:

Just imagine where the system would be if they actually released consistent (quality) games and dropped the price. The fact the system has been the same or more for 4 years is astounding.

There are consistent quality releases on PS5