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Every single day Trump has to show the world what a disgusting person he is. And every single day his supporters love him for it.

I guess he tries the same around the world with other companies to ensure that he can say "USA managed to develop the first vaccine on this planet with the hard work that me and my friends put into it"



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iron_megalith said:

Have you missed the news about CCP jailing one of the doctors who tried to make an early warning about Corona Virus potentially spreading?

It's Taiwan who should be admired here. They've done a great job preventing it. You can count Hong Kong in as well for being so damn close yet not having it as bad as their neighbors.

There is literally nothing to admire about Mainland China. The methods they used are borderline oppressive just to do extreme damage control. That's CCP for you. They do whatever the fuck they want. Not to mention they've almost guaranteed to have adjusted those numbers further to tone down the severity of the case. No amount of praise from W.H.O., especially Tedros, can change the fact that they were the ones who fucked up in the first place just like what they did with SARS.

Yeah, China's initial response of suppressing information was god-awful! But they did get their act together eventually and indisputably have managed to drastically reduce the number of daily new transmissions in the country to like single or double digits where it had been in the many thousands. That's what I'm talking about! It's some of the successful steps that they ultimately took that I think we should look at. As to being oppressive, this whole experience is oppressive for all of us. Name one thing about it that isn't: the problem? The solutions? Anything? Major disruption of normal life is just factually the only way to address a crisis like this.

It's also not like our own White House has exactly been honest and forthcoming about the seriousness of the outbreak either for that matter. You know good and well that Trump would have all those critical reporters and so forth rounded up and imprisoned if he could halfway legally get away with it. It's not like his instincts are any different.

Look, I've got no respect for China's system of government. It's a repressive, tyrannical, and often dangerously dishonest police state. But when there are individual solutions to this outbreak that have been enacted and proven effective that we're not even thinking about implementing here in this country as our situation begins to rapidly deteriorate, do I worry about whether they were first enacted in China or not? No, I'm concerned with whether they're effective or not. That's not being a shill for a police state, it's called being pragmatic.

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Meanwhile China sends doctors, ventilators and other medical equipment to Italy now. I guess they know better than the USA how to build up a good relationship nowadays.



NightlyPoe said:
crissindahouse said:

Meanwhile China sends doctors, ventilators and other medical equipment to Italy now. I guess they know better than the USA how to build up a good relationship nowadays.

People who think China is a better friend than the United States deserve what they get I suppose.

In the meantime, try not to politicize everything.

But it is politics. What Trump does and what China does. No reason to act as if it isn't. Trump does it for his presidency and China for their relationship with Italy/EU

China isn't a trustworthy partner but with what Trump does, he is one of the reasons why it's easier for China to step in



Jaicee said:
iron_megalith said:

Have you missed the news about CCP jailing one of the doctors who tried to make an early warning about Corona Virus potentially spreading?

It's Taiwan who should be admired here. They've done a great job preventing it. You can count Hong Kong in as well for being so damn close yet not having it as bad as their neighbors.

There is literally nothing to admire about Mainland China. The methods they used are borderline oppressive just to do extreme damage control. That's CCP for you. They do whatever the fuck they want. Not to mention they've almost guaranteed to have adjusted those numbers further to tone down the severity of the case. No amount of praise from W.H.O., especially Tedros, can change the fact that they were the ones who fucked up in the first place just like what they did with SARS.

Yeah, China's initial response of suppressing information was god-awful! But they did get their act together eventually and indisputably have managed to drastically reduce the number of daily new transmissions in the country to like single or double digits where it had been in the many thousands. That's what I'm talking about! It's some of the successful steps that they ultimately took that I think we should look at. As to being oppressive, this whole experience is oppressive for all of us. Name one thing about it that isn't: the problem? The solutions? Anything? Major disruption of normal life is just factually the only way to address a crisis like this.

It's also not like our own White House has exactly been honest and forthcoming about the seriousness of the outbreak either for that matter. You know good and well that Trump would have all those critical reporters and so forth rounded up and imprisoned if he could halfway legally get away with it. It's not like his instincts are any different.

Look, I've got no respect for China's system of government. It's a repressive, tyrannical, and often dangerously dishonest police state. But when there are individual solutions to this outbreak that have been enacted and proven effective that we're not even thinking about implementing here in this country as our situation begins to rapidly deteriorate, do I worry about whether they were first enacted in China or not? No, I'm concerned with whether they're effective or not. That's not being a shill for a police state, it's called being pragmatic.

I agree. And I want to add, that this is an extraordinary situation, a state of emergency. In situations like this it is acceptable to temporarily restrict personal liberties, if it is helpful to save lifes. Important is, that the liberties are restored, once the situation has been overcome.

Also the measurements taken seem to have stopped the spreading of the virus in China. I fear if all is over, some countries might end up with more casualties than China does. And I am not accepting that this will be worth the liberties and the profits of companies.



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NightlyPoe said:
crissindahouse said:

Meanwhile China sends doctors, ventilators and other medical equipment to Italy now. I guess they know better than the USA how to build up a good relationship nowadays.

People who think China is a better friend than the United States deserve what they get I suppose.

In the meantime, try not to politicize everything.

I see Chinas reaction as one of a good neighbor. Politicizing are the people, that want to paint China always in a bad light, even when they do something good.



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John2290 said:
It was 67 cases here in Ireland the last time I checked which seemed like yesterday but I click on our national news site today and it's up 39 cases to 129 with two confirmed deaths. That was quick and it looks like we are aboyt to start spiking.

That's the scary thing about exponential growth: each day looks worse than the day before. And we must realize, that this only stops if we implement measures to bring the infection rate down.

EDIT: By the way, germany now also cracked 5000 cases. I thought that might happen on monday.

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Switzerland just exploded.
They had around 200 new infections for the past few days and now got 841 in a single day. Overtook Norway in cases per capita and is only 2nd to ... well Italy of course.



jason1637 said:
NightlyPoe said:

And De Blasio is STILL refusing to close New York City schools.

Dude, I get that it will cause logistical problems.  Figure it out.  You can't leave the biggest collection of Petri dishes in the city open because subway and healthcare workers will have to find a babysitter for their kids.  We regularly close schools for weeks and months at a time and somehow the healthcare infrastructure doesn't collapse every June.

As it is, it was irresponsible not to have closed the schools sometime last week.

Yeah his approach makes no sense. There has been cases in schools and they've only closed these individual schools for a day.

Other states have set schools up as day care centers and food centers or got rid of mandatory attendance.  The Governor has already dropped the 180 school days requirement so De Blasio can close it for awhile if he decides to.

The problem with that is, it's only half measures when you keep day cares open or turn schools into day cares. Unless they instruct all the kids to stay away from each other. After reading that article about flattening the curve only really working if you can stretch it out to a decade, as much containment as possible is still the only way to limit damage. But to get on track, first we need to stop the current uncontrolled spread and take inventory on where the virus is. Faster and mass produced tests are needed, while people stay at home.



NightlyPoe said:
crissindahouse said:

But it is politics. What Trump does and what China does. No reason to act as if it isn't. Trump does it for his presidency and China for their relationship with Italy/EU

China isn't a trustworthy partner but with what Trump does, he is one of the reasons why it's easier for China to step in

I'll just repeat my original post:

People who think China is a better friend than the United States deserve what they get I suppose.

In the meantime, try not to politicize everything.

Weird answer. Just imagine one possible situation: 

Trump would buy the possibly researched vaccine  away from Europe and China would help Europe with an own developed vaccine. Right now it looks as if China would do that (the reason is irrelevant to be honest).

Trump would do China a huge favour and even if China would do it only for themselves it would at least not look like USA is a better "friend".

When I look at the last years and see what Trump tries now I'm not really sure how at least he is supposed to be a better partner. USA with another President? Sure