Political aggression in general, in a democracy or similar, also tends to mean one side can't make its case to the opposition, so you start with aggression before you move on to force, to try and get your way. The left these days likes to say it's because some people, especially on the right, are so stupid, but that doesn't really make any sense, because that would mean the left was smarter, if not much smarter, and if they were that smart, it should be easy to dumb it down and explain it to most of the 'idiots'.

Some people just don't understand for different reasons, but there are some others who think they're much smarter than they actually are, as well some others who aren't near as dumb and useless as they're told they are. There's way too many people in bubbles that think they're open minded, when they're actually more so in "The Matrix" and don't realize it, or far worse, realize it, like it, and think it's what's best for everyone.

1. You are asking very stupid questions here. Harris was the presidential candidate and talked about the policies she will introduce once she is president. She told people that inflation has come down, but that isn't enough yet. She has said that over and over again during her campaign. You are clinging to her one isolated statement she made on The View and take that as her consistent message during her campaign, but that statement was an answer to the question what she would have done differently if she were president during the Biden term. It wasn't a question about what she will do during her term.

2. Yes, working class was the main message. How many American broadcasts did you watch as a German who isn't interested in sports? Most likely a grand zero. You hardly posted in this thread before the election either, so you are pretty much stumbling in here blindly and running with the limited information you like the most. That's why sundin is saying that you must live in an alternate reality, and he is right in saying that. Which leads to your conclusion...

3. ...that is inevitably off base because your premise what the Harris campaign was about is so wrong already. It's also rich that you accuse me of denial after deliberately snipping my post to leave out the part where I placed blame on the Democrats.

https://kamalaharris.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Policy_Book_Economic-Opportunity.pdf

Just read the bullet points on page 3, that's what Harris ran on.

Contrary to one of my earlier post in this thread I don't actually think the right is "stupid". However that is not the point I want to make. 

The point I want to make is complicated issues are often complicated to solve but we as humans will default to what seems like the easiest solution. We believe what sounds simpler and easier to understand as best option. When often it could be the opposite but to explain so would take too much time to put in a TV ad or a 30 second soundbite. I think of this similar to the Dunning-Kruger Effect. You speak to someone who is a google expert on an issue they will tell you how to fix it but you talk to a real expert they will tell you fixing it is complicated.

I am bias here, but I often find that the democratic position is the more complicated of the two. Take immigration, it is easy to understand anyone who got here illegally was not supposed to be here should be removed. It is more complicated to explain that our already broken system is baked in and removing 12 million workers is detrimental to our workforce especially in the Agricultural sector and will likely result in higher prices at the grocery store. 

Let alone we live in a divided news media ecosystem where opposite positions don't really get fair coverage or are properly challenged on the positions they hold.   

You're just saying it's more complicated because the Dems made it that way with poor immigration policies. Making a mess and then suggesting someone leave it that way isn't a reasonable answer to the problem. The illegal immigrants weren't supposed to be in America to begin with, so removing them makes perfect sense. Obama even understood this during his Presidency. If Biden and Harris saw the need for more immigrant farm workers, they should've figured out a better way to bring them in legally. It's not like rural Republican farmers would've been against that if they need the help.

Higher food prices aren't the problem, it's people not being able to pay for it because of the poorly run economy. The food sector doesn't make jack in terms of profits, so it's not like they're gouging. Kamala may have kept pointing the finger at them, but that's because it was easy, but she doesn't know what she's talking about. I grew up on a farm, so if you think the food industry is the problem then you clearly don't get it, because it's the least of your worries in terms of rich elite sleazeballs trying to empty your pockets.

The news media sucks for information besides perhaps the weather. Podcasts are so much better than the news it's not funny. They aren't perfect, but their multi-hour format allows people to get into all the details as well as hash them out if they're seriously looking to do so.

This doesn't work for liberals.  There aren't any reliable independents on their side that aren't race grifting, hyper woke, or medically induced spergs.

And yet... working class peoples lives got worse during the Biden administration while rich people got richer.

And yet... if asked (which AOC did) many people say working class problems.

You and many of the more wealthy middle class are fine with what Biden/Harris did. Many people are not, they are angry and feels like the Democrats act like their worries don't matter. That is the result that can be seen. Now you can deny it or you can ask why. You seem to invest all your energy on denial.

I wasn't very active in the thread, because I had over the last elections mostly lost the belief that the Democrats can tackle real issues. In the last elections Sanders did run in the primaries and brought on a lot of these issues. The big loss this time may have been a chance that the Democrats wake up and listen to the poorer, less educated, working class people. But you and others here keep convincing me that the Democrats aren't willing to change, to not even see any reason to do so. I don't think they will do much better in the future given this. I also don't think this will work out in Austria either, have fun with the FPÖ.

The democrats in the US did move to the right over the years, allowing the Republicans to go even more extreme right. If the democrats are not willing to change course, I believe we need a new real left movement. And not only in the US, europe sees similar problems with many establishment parties moving away from left positions while at the same time this gives room to fascist movements: Le Pen, AfD, FPÖ, Orban, PiS. I believe the antidote is bringing back real leftist movements with strong social and economic left policies. But most parties are afraid to piss off major companies and rich people, and yes, that includes the Democrats in the US. But that will be needed in my opinion.

As a leftist it is frustrating to discuss online. Issues and problems of people are denied. And you get accused of supporting the right, as you tried in the last post. So yeah, use the loss as a chance to reform or don't do anything and blame the voters.

Do the rest of us really need to see this "dirty laundry" in public?

I will just say Chazore is right and everyone knows it.  

Now I have a mod messaging me telling me I have self esteem issues.

I'm sure that is fine and appropriate behavior too.  

A candidate paying people to vote is interference lol. Elon was directly working with the Trump Campaign. Whether Conservative like it or not the richest man in the world bought the election and Trump is likely to be his puppet. Trumps campaign spent $350m and Elon literally ran a $200m initiative to get him elected. If it wasnt for Elon Trump does not win.

Rich. With your hit and run posts you sound like someone who just stumbled onto 4chan and have a hard time containing their retarded thoughts from flowing like verbal diarrhoea.

And yet... working class peoples lives got worse during the Biden administration while rich people got richer.

And yet... if asked (which AOC did) many people say working class problems.

You and many of the more wealthy middle class are fine with what Biden/Harris did. Many people are not, they are angry and feels like the Democrats act like their worries don't matter. That is the result that can be seen. Now you can deny it or you can ask why. You seem to invest all your energy on denial.

I wasn't very active in the thread, because I had over the last elections mostly lost the belief that the Democrats can tackle real issues. In the last elections Sanders did run in the primaries and brought on a lot of these issues. The big loss this time may have been a chance that the Democrats wake up and listen to the poorer, less educated, working class people. But you and others here keep convincing me that the Democrats aren't willing to change, to not even see any reason to do so. I don't think they will do much better in the future given this. I also don't think this will work out in Austria either, have fun with the FPÖ.

The democrats in the US did move to the right over the years, allowing the Republicans to go even more extreme right. If the democrats are not willing to change course, I believe we need a new real left movement. And not only in the US, europe sees similar problems with many establishment parties moving away from left positions while at the same time this gives room to fascist movements: Le Pen, AfD, FPÖ, Orban, PiS. I believe the antidote is bringing back real leftist movements with strong social and economic left policies. But most parties are afraid to piss off major companies and rich people, and yes, that includes the Democrats in the US. But that will be needed in my opinion.

As a leftist it is frustrating to discuss online. Issues and problems of people are denied. And you get accused of supporting the right, as you tried in the last post. So yeah, use the loss as a chance to reform or don't do anything and blame the voters.