2024 US Presidential Election

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Mnementh said:

RolStoppable said:

1. You are asking very stupid questions here. Harris was the presidential candidate and talked about the policies she will introduce once she is president. She told people that inflation has come down, but that isn't enough yet. She has said that over and over again during her campaign. You are clinging to her one isolated statement she made on The View and take that as her consistent message during her campaign, but that statement was an answer to the question what she would have done differently if she were president during the Biden term. It wasn't a question about what she will do during her term.

2. Yes, working class was the main message. How many American broadcasts did you watch as a German who isn't interested in sports? Most likely a grand zero. You hardly posted in this thread before the election either, so you are pretty much stumbling in here blindly and running with the limited information you like the most. That's why sundin is saying that you must live in an alternate reality, and he is right in saying that. Which leads to your conclusion...

3. ...that is inevitably off base because your premise what the Harris campaign was about is so wrong already. It's also rich that you accuse me of denial after deliberately snipping my post to leave out the part where I placed blame on the Democrats.

https://kamalaharris.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Policy_Book_Economic-Opportunity.pdf

Just read the bullet points on page 3, that's what Harris ran on.

And yet... working class peoples lives got worse during the Biden administration while rich people got richer.

And yet... if asked (which AOC did) many people say working class problems.

You and many of the more wealthy middle class are fine with what Biden/Harris did. Many people are not, they are angry and feels like the Democrats act like their worries don't matter. That is the result that can be seen. Now you can deny it or you can ask why. You seem to invest all your energy on denial.

I wasn't very active in the thread, because I had over the last elections mostly lost the belief that the Democrats can tackle real issues. In the last elections Sanders did run in the primaries and brought on a lot of these issues. The big loss this time may have been a chance that the Democrats wake up and listen to the poorer, less educated, working class people. But you and others here keep convincing me that the Democrats aren't willing to change, to not even see any reason to do so. I don't think they will do much better in the future given this. I also don't think this will work out in Austria either, have fun with the FPÖ.

The democrats in the US did move to the right over the years, allowing the Republicans to go even more extreme right. If the democrats are not willing to change course, I believe we need a new real left movement. And not only in the US, europe sees similar problems with many establishment parties moving away from left positions while at the same time this gives room to fascist movements: Le Pen, AfD, FPÖ, Orban, PiS. I believe the antidote is bringing back real leftist movements with strong social and economic left policies. But most parties are afraid to piss off major companies and rich people, and yes, that includes the Democrats in the US. But that will be needed in my opinion.

As a leftist it is frustrating to discuss online. Issues and problems of people are denied. And you get accused of supporting the right, as you tried in the last post. So yeah, use the loss as a chance to reform or don't do anything and blame the voters.

I think people are mostly ignoring the big picture. Democrats are the middle class party and, as you noted, have taken a step to the right, so they¨re pretty much your typical European right wing party. Because US does not have a left wing party in the federal elections that would be a working class or lower classes party, it turns out that Republicans are at least giving an opportunity for the poor who can't do much worse, that the Democrats don't. As the low wage industrial jobs have gone abroad, especially the regions with lots of Africans have suffered from globalism.