2024 US Presidential Election

[EricHiggin]

Shinobi-san said:

EricHiggin said:

I remember a post during the 2020 election, that said if the independents and the center left want the Democrat party to legitimately come back closer to center, that instead of them sitting at home and allowing Trump to win by default like in 2016, that they were going to need to get up and vote for Trump, however difficult that may be for them to swallow. Not in perpetuity, but for long enough to force the Dems to pay attention and shift their course in a more reasonable direction.

The thought behind this was that as long as the Dems could say they had the popular vote, they and many of their voters, were going to be convinced that they could continue governing in the direction they had been, more and more left, and that they just had to campaign smarter and harder during the elections. This meant they were never going to learn the lesson they should've in 2016.

That post got swarmed and that member got told by many that they 'knew what they were up to' and that 'they, nor anyone else, was going to fall for it'. As per the 2020 results, apparently they, nor the independents or center left, 'fell for it', whatever diabolical plan it was behind, supposedly.

Well it actually finally happened, to a degree, the first step you could say, and now here we are. Are the left going to finally realize that member had a strong point, or are they going to keep their blindfolds on and deny what's staring them in the face? How many elections going forward is it going to take?

Pretty sound advice from my point of view (the initial post).

I am not sure what the logical reasoning is but people on the left come across insanely aggressive even to those who agree with them on a large number of issues. 

People don't tend to like (to see) weakness from leadership. If you're on the left and don't go along with everything, to them, you're showing weakness to the right and those independents who are undecided as to where they stand. In politics the opposition is likely to use that against you and you may lose support and voters because of it, to the point where you may lose power or be unable to attain it.

The left look to the Gov these days much more so than the right, and so being united is much more important to them. The right is much more comfortable on their own, and doesn't see the need to rely on the Gov like the left does. It's also why the right cares so much more about the individual States, as well as the first and second amendments these days.

Political aggression in general, in a democracy or similar, also tends to mean one side can't make its case to the opposition, so you start with aggression before you move on to force, to try and get your way. The left these days likes to say it's because some people, especially on the right, are so stupid, but that doesn't really make any sense, because that would mean the left was smarter, if not much smarter, and if they were that smart, it should be easy to dumb it down and explain it to most of the 'idiots'.

Some people just don't understand for different reasons, but there are some others who think they're much smarter than they actually are, as well some others who aren't near as dumb and useless as they're told they are. There's way too many people in bubbles that think they're open minded, when they're actually more so in "The Matrix" and don't realize it, or far worse, realize it, like it, and think it's what's best for everyone.