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Norion on 29 January 2025
Phenomajp13 said:
Norion said:

Most of this entire conversation could've been avoided if you hadn't acted all accusatory towards him and just took his word for it earlier. You really should stop with the combative posts.

And then miss out on all the fun? If he didn't enjoy it as much as I do, then he wouldn't engage. So neither he or I truly want me to stop doing that.

I dunno how he feels about it but I only find it annoying though if you want to keep acting that way then I can't stop you. Basically admitting to going out of your way to act combative is not a good look but you do you I guess.

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PAOerfulone on 30 January 2025
Phenomajp13 said:
Norion said:

Most of this entire conversation could've been avoided if you hadn't acted all accusatory towards him and just took his word for it earlier. You really should stop with the combative posts.

And then miss out on all the fun? If he didn't enjoy it as much as I do, then he wouldn't engage. So neither he or I truly want me to stop doing that. 

That's the kind of crap that will get you booted from this site.



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killer7 on 30 January 2025

160- 162 million is BS and we all know that. 160,636,something is the final PRODUCED number if we where to believe this "in loving memory" story wich i doubt for PSP for reasons i stated numerous times. Fake or not we don't know. But even if this number was true, they are talking about PRODUCED units. That includes demo kits that where sent to stores wich get sent back to Sony and CANNOT be sold to costumers because the systems are not made for home use (as someone working in a store i can confirm you this!!) and get sent back to the manufactor (that goes not only for Sony but also for Nintendo and Microsoft, even Sega- they even had their regulations that you need to send it back in a post box and remove the original package) so they won't be sold to costumers. They count as "produced units". So as you see, not every unit you produce is made for costumers use so you can't sell them. That also includes systems that break during production and units you send out to magazines for testing. As you can see, even if 160.636... was true, you can subtract a good portion of these systems as they talked of "produced" and not "shipped" units. How many of these? I don't know. But there are millons of stores world wide who had a demo station or even more. Heck the PS2 slim was a demostation as well. So 160 million+ shipped FOR SALE TO COSTUMERS is highly debatable. The question is, why Sony does not give uns their "shipped to retailers" number as they did with their previous systems expext PSP and Vita?!
One can argue you could subtract also from Nintendo systems like the DS (154,02 million) But the difference is: Thats the SHIPPED number!! Not the number of units production! See what i mean?
Why don't we get a Total SHIPMENT number?!



XtremeBG on 30 January 2025
PAOerfulone said:
Phenomajp13 said:

And then miss out on all the fun? If he didn't enjoy it as much as I do, then he wouldn't engage. So neither he or I truly want me to stop doing that.

That's the kind of crap that will get you booted from this site.

As of this moment I am not so sure about that. He has been banned over 5 times now, for flaming, being aggressive and so on, and yet, the new ban for him is again for only 5 days .. such users on other places would get permanent ban by now, since he is doing that constantly and on top of that, he has already been banned around 5 times now. I read ban note for one old user it says " This ban is permanent. You bring nothing to the site. You are constantly having to be reported and warned about your comments in general chat. " So something like this has to be written on him as well, since the first time he did that, not one and a half year later on his 5th or 6th ban, and even with that it still isn't... and he is getting only a tiny ban of 5 days.

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Jules98 on 30 January 2025
killer7 said:

160- 162 million is BS and we all know that. 160,636,something is the final PRODUCED number if we where to believe this "in loving memory" story wich i doubt for PSP for reasons i stated numerous times. Fake or not we don't know. But even if this number was true, they are talking about PRODUCED units. That includes demo kits that where sent to stores wich get sent back to Sony and CANNOT be sold to costumers because the systems are not made for home use (as someone working in a store i can confirm you this!!) and get sent back to the manufactor (that goes not only for Sony but also for Nintendo and Microsoft, even Sega- they even had their regulations that you need to send it back in a post box and remove the original package) so they won't be sold to costumers. They count as "produced units". So as you see, not every unit you produce is made for costumers use so you can't sell them. That also includes systems that break during production and units you send out to magazines for testing. As you can see, even if 160.636... was true, you can subtract a good portion of these systems as they talked of "produced" and not "shipped" units. How many of these? I don't know. But there are millons of stores world wide who had a demo station or even more. Heck the PS2 slim was a demostation as well. So 160 million+ shipped FOR SALE TO COSTUMERS is highly debatable. The question is, why Sony does not give uns their "shipped to retailers" number as they did with their previous systems expext PSP and Vita?!
One can argue you could subtract also from Nintendo systems like the DS (154,02 million) But the difference is: Thats the SHIPPED number!! Not the number of units production! See what i mean?
Why don't we get a Total SHIPMENT number?!

Allow me to make things even more confusing for you. Did you know that the console sales numbers as reported by Sony includes consoles that were returned, refurbished, and sold again? This way, they can squeeze multiple sales from a single produced unit.



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killer7 on 30 January 2025
Jules98 said:
killer7 said:

160- 162 million is BS and we all know that. 160,636,something is the final PRODUCED number if we where to believe this "in loving memory" story wich i doubt for PSP for reasons i stated numerous times. Fake or not we don't know. But even if this number was true, they are talking about PRODUCED units. That includes demo kits that where sent to stores wich get sent back to Sony and CANNOT be sold to costumers because the systems are not made for home use (as someone working in a store i can confirm you this!!) and get sent back to the manufactor (that goes not only for Sony but also for Nintendo and Microsoft, even Sega- they even had their regulations that you need to send it back in a post box and remove the original package) so they won't be sold to costumers. They count as "produced units". So as you see, not every unit you produce is made for costumers use so you can't sell them. That also includes systems that break during production and units you send out to magazines for testing. As you can see, even if 160.636... was true, you can subtract a good portion of these systems as they talked of "produced" and not "shipped" units. How many of these? I don't know. But there are millons of stores world wide who had a demo station or even more. Heck the PS2 slim was a demostation as well. So 160 million+ shipped FOR SALE TO COSTUMERS is highly debatable. The question is, why Sony does not give uns their "shipped to retailers" number as they did with their previous systems expext PSP and Vita?!
One can argue you could subtract also from Nintendo systems like the DS (154,02 million) But the difference is: Thats the SHIPPED number!! Not the number of units production! See what i mean?
Why don't we get a Total SHIPMENT number?!

Allow me to make things even more confusing for you. Did you know that the console sales numbers as reported by Sony includes consoles that were returned, refurbished, and sold again? This way, they can squeeze multiple sales from a single produced unit.

I doubt this number includes resold consoles, otherwise it would probably even be behind the DS, wich i highly doubt!



javi741 on 31 January 2025

Phenomjp has to chill out. He's been way to aggressive over something as irrelevant as console sales. It's just video games no need to always attack someone for disagreeing with your viewpoint especially for a subject this unserious.

If it's true that he's been banned 5 times already and is still doing the same thing, it's a miracle that it isn't a permanent ban



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Fight-the-Streets on 31 January 2025
Jules98 said:
killer7 said:

160- 162 million is BS and we all know that. 160,636,something is the final PRODUCED number if we where to believe this "in loving memory" story wich i doubt for PSP for reasons i stated numerous times. Fake or not we don't know. But even if this number was true, they are talking about PRODUCED units. That includes demo kits that where sent to stores wich get sent back to Sony and CANNOT be sold to costumers because the systems are not made for home use (as someone working in a store i can confirm you this!!) and get sent back to the manufactor (that goes not only for Sony but also for Nintendo and Microsoft, even Sega- they even had their regulations that you need to send it back in a post box and remove the original package) so they won't be sold to costumers. They count as "produced units". So as you see, not every unit you produce is made for costumers use so you can't sell them. That also includes systems that break during production and units you send out to magazines for testing. As you can see, even if 160.636... was true, you can subtract a good portion of these systems as they talked of "produced" and not "shipped" units. How many of these? I don't know. But there are millons of stores world wide who had a demo station or even more. Heck the PS2 slim was a demostation as well. So 160 million+ shipped FOR SALE TO COSTUMERS is highly debatable. The question is, why Sony does not give uns their "shipped to retailers" number as they did with their previous systems expext PSP and Vita?!
One can argue you could subtract also from Nintendo systems like the DS (154,02 million) But the difference is: Thats the SHIPPED number!! Not the number of units production! See what i mean?
Why don't we get a Total SHIPMENT number?!

Allow me to make things even more confusing for you. Did you know that the console sales numbers as reported by Sony includes consoles that were returned, refurbished, and sold again? This way, they can squeeze multiple sales from a single produced unit.

killer7 said:

I doubt this number includes resold consoles, otherwise it would probably even be behind the DS, wich i highly doubt!

I highly doubt it too, produced but unshipped consoles should be between 10-15%.



killer7 on 02 February 2025
Fight-the-Streets said:
Jules98 said:

Allow me to make things even more confusing for you. Did you know that the console sales numbers as reported by Sony includes consoles that were returned, refurbished, and sold again? This way, they can squeeze multiple sales from a single produced unit.

killer7 said:

I doubt this number includes resold consoles, otherwise it would probably even be behind the DS, wich i highly doubt!

I highly doubt it too, produced but unshipped consoles should be between 10-15%.

Are you aware of what you are saying? If that was true, we would have to subtract even millions from this 160.636... number. That would mean the PS2 would come down dangerously close to the DS. I doubt it undersold it as we know 155,1 million units have in fact been shipped by march 31,2012. But if what you said with these 10- 15% was true, we would even need to debate that 155,1 million number... here i would nearly defend the PS2. Of course they shipped less then 160 million but not that less... at least i don't think so. But if that was true, PS2s total could be a lot lower than 160,64 million!!