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Phenomajp13 said:

It doesnt matter, if you see that then feel free to respond with what Sony confirmed. You continuing to parrot it, makes you look like the desperate goalpost mover. Thats what I accused you of and I know you very well ;). You showing me post from people (Rol) that mentioned the theoretical range before it was confirmed invalid means nothing now, we NOW know the truth. So these people that will do this nonsense you speak of in the future are irrelevant, Sony's word prevails above all. So far, it's just you that continues the push for that NOW invalid range.

So I'll say again, the theoretical range is invalid NOW, so continuing to parrot it now is just a flatout lie or just a goalpost move attempt.

I am not continuing anything. I said it once, and it's true. The fact that it may be irrelevant does not mean it's not true. And other people have already mentioned it on other places as well. I won't start searching every forum post or every comment that someone has said it just because you don't believe and you haven't saw and because you haven't saw I am lying in your eyes.

So you confirm that you are accusing me after all, but have nothing to back it up, since it's empty statements from your side. Because I've said there will be people who desperately will doubt it until 162M I am goalpost mover ? What a logic. It's the perfect example you just look out for something to hang on so you can throw labels at me. You don't know me because I show nothing from me as a person here other than some opinions about different consoles, so don't put yourself in a movie.

Me showing you the post means that you are wrong. The people are not imaginary. However I won't go and search everywhere and take my time just for you, some anonymous poster that was banned numerous times before here, and that even doesn't have the guts to show who he really is in front of anyone and who always ignores that topic.

I am also continuing a push, just because I mentioned it once ? And the only times I repeated it after that were in response to your nonsense posts since it was about that 162M number. Again here is new example how you are trying to make 1 simple mention from me something that I " try to push " or " continue to parrot " when there is no such thing. Cuz if there was, it would mean I would tell this for a long time, and put it in many of my posts. I also agree that theoretical range is invalid now, I haven't said otherwise. Just that to shut up everyone (the desperate defenders or what you wanna call them) Switch needs 162M. Your points and everything you write towards me is busted and empty. You just look for a way to put me labels easily, but your strategy is failing. That's all.

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XtremeBG said:
Phenomajp13 said:

It doesnt matter, if you see that then feel free to respond with what Sony confirmed. You continuing to parrot it, makes you look like the desperate goalpost mover. Thats what I accused you of and I know you very well ;). You showing me post from people (Rol) that mentioned the theoretical range before it was confirmed invalid means nothing now, we NOW know the truth. So these people that will do this nonsense you speak of in the future are irrelevant, Sony's word prevails above all. So far, it's just you that continues the push for that NOW invalid range.

So I'll say again, the theoretical range is invalid NOW, so continuing to parrot it now is just a flatout lie or just a goalpost move attempt.

I am not continuing anything. I said it once, and it's true. The fact that it may be irrelevant does not mean it's not true. And other people have already mentioned it on other places as well. I won't start searching every forum post or every comment that someone has said it just because you don't believe and you haven't saw and because you haven't saw I am lying in your eyes.

So you confirm that you are accusing me after all, but have nothing to back it up, since it's empty statements from your side. Because I've said there will be people who desperately will doubt it until 162M I am goalpost mover ? What a logic. It's the perfect example you just look out for something to hang on so you can throw labels at me. You don't know me because I show nothing from me as a person here other than some opinions about different consoles, so don't put yourself in a movie.

Me showing you the post means that you are wrong. The people are not imaginary. However I won't go and search everywhere and take my time just for you, some anonymous poster that was banned numerous times before here, and that even doesn't have the guts to show who he really is in front of anyone and who always ignores that topic.

I am also continuing a push, just because I mentioned it once ? And the only times I repeated it after that were in response to your nonsense posts since it was about that 162M number. Again here is new example how you are trying to make 1 simple mention from me something that I " try to push " or " continue to parrot " when there is no such thing. Cuz if there was, it would mean I would tell this for a long time, and put it in many of my posts. I also agree that theoretical range is invalid now, I haven't said otherwise. Just that to shut up everyone (the desperate defenders or what you wanna call them) Switch needs 162M.

Smh, what in the world is so complicated about this. Just because people can spout lies or be ignorant doesnt mean their opinion is relevant. Sony confirmed it, it doesnt matter what people go do. Yes its true we will have desperate people still spouting the 162 million, why does it matter? Sony shut it down, thats why it's irrelevant because it isnt true and Sony confirmed this.

I'm accusing you of being a goalpost mover and the proof is your post with the goalpost move. You claim you personally believe in the 160 to 160.6 million range, yet care so much to hear these imaginary people? I wonder why? You are parroting it now and these desperate people maybe mean so much to you for a reason? Long story short, im simply saying it's quite apparent YOU are one of those desperate hold outs. Thats why giving them a voice is so important to YOU. It's ok, because I love you, I'll roll with it. 162 million is the goal! That's how confident I am that Switch still has this in the bag. 



Phenomajp13 said:

Smh, what in the world is so complicated about this. Just because people can spout lies or be ignorant doesnt mean their opinion is relevant. Sony confirmed it, it doesnt matter what people go do. Yes its true we will have desperate people still spouting the 162 million, why does it matter? Sony shut it down, thats why it's irrelevant because it isnt true and Sony confirmed this.

I'm accusing you of being a goalpost mover and the proof is your post with the goalpost move. You claim you personally believe in the 160 to 160.6 million range, yet care so much to hear these imaginary people? I wonder why? You are parroting it now and these desperate people maybe mean so much to you for a reason? Long story short, im simply saying it's quite apparent YOU are one of those desperate hold outs. Thats why giving them a voice is so important to YOU. It's ok, because I love you, I'll roll with it. 162 million is the goal! That's how confident I am that Switch still has this in the bag.

I agree with your first part fully. But what is your problem with me just mentioning it in one sentence in my posts that you originally quoted about that ? The fact that is irrelevant doesn't mean I can't mentioned it to the people, Just like that. It's part of my opinion on the matter and I wanted to include it in my post. The proof you have is not a proof since my post is not a goalpost move, it's simply stating that to shut up those desperate mouths Switch can do it with 162M. Simple as that!

They are not imaginary, since they will be there in future when Switch gets closer, I am sure of it. And you can't really call someone imaginary when talking about the future. I am not parroting it, since I wrote it once, or twice before. I am writing it more times to you just because of the debate, so it's clear to you what the sentence is about. Saying it once in 1 sentence, while repeating many many times that I too believe in the 160-160.6M and for me Switch has passed the PS2 if it reaches 160.7M is guarantee I don't try to push that 162M number or parrot it and is also showing how you are ready to hang on to just 1 small thing in order to put me label and to accuse me. I am not one of those desperate hold outs, since I am not saying Switch needs 162M to beat the PS2, or for example to say that Switch will sell 2M this year and die, or that for example Nintendo will stop it's production this year, because of the Switch 2 releasing. So no, I am not desperate hold out. I simply think as of this moment Switch will come short, it will come close, but not over 160.6M. Simply because I expect reasonable price for the successor, and releasing it at latest by the end of the summer. Giving them voice is not important to me, and I am not giving them anything, I barely mentioned them until you come and start accusing me. If switch reaches 160.7M it has outsold the PS2 for me. The desperate people may continue to debate it until 162M, but I know it has passed it already and will sit and watch. It's not like it will be second life for that battle.

Last edited by XtremeBG - 16 hours ago

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Polls: When will the Switch: Outsell the DS? / Outsell the PS2? / LT expectations of: Switch / PS5 / XBSX

XtremeBG said:
Phenomajp13 said:

Smh, what in the world is so complicated about this. Just because people can spout lies or be ignorant doesnt mean their opinion is relevant. Sony confirmed it, it doesnt matter what people go do. Yes its true we will have desperate people still spouting the 162 million, why does it matter? Sony shut it down, thats why it's irrelevant because it isnt true and Sony confirmed this.

I'm accusing you of being a goalpost mover and the proof is your post with the goalpost move. You claim you personally believe in the 160 to 160.6 million range, yet care so much to hear these imaginary people? I wonder why? You are parroting it now and these desperate people maybe mean so much to you for a reason? Long story short, im simply saying it's quite apparent YOU are one of those desperate hold outs. Thats why giving them a voice is so important to YOU. It's ok, because I love you, I'll roll with it. 162 million is the goal! That's how confident I am that Switch still has this in the bag.

I agree with your first part fully. But what is your problem with me just mentioning it in one sentence in my posts that you originally quoted about that ? The fact that is irrelevant doesn't mean I can't mentioned it to the people, Just like that. It's part of my opinion on the matter and I wanted to include it in my post. The proof you have is not a proof since my post is not a goalpost move, it's simply stating that to shut up those desperate mouths Switch can do it with 162M. Simple as that!

They are not imaginary, since they will be there in future when Switch gets closer, I am sure of it. And you can't really call someone imaginary when talking about the future. I am not parroting it, since I wrote it once, or twice before. I am writing it more times to you just because of the debate, so it's clear to you what the sentence is about. Saying it once in 1 sentence, while repeating many many times that I too believe in the 160-160.6M and for me Switch has passed the PS2 if it reaches 160.7M is guarantee I don't try to push that 162M number or parrot it and is also showing how you are ready to hang on to just 1 small thing in order to put me label and to accuse me. I am not one of those desperate hold outs, since I am not saying Switch needs 162M to beat the PS2, or for example to say that Switch will sell 2M this year and die, or that for example Nintendo will stop it's production this year, because of the Switch 2 releasing. So no, I am not desperate hold out. I simply think as of this moment Switch will come short, it will come close, but not over 160.6M. Simply because I expect reasonable price for the successor, and releasing it at latest by the end of the summer. Giving them voice is not important to me, and I am not giving them anything, I barely mentioned them until you come and start accusing me. If switch reaches 160.7M it has outsold the PS2 for me. The desperate people may continue to debate it until 162M, but I know it has passed it already and will sit and watch. It's not like it will be second life for that battle.

I agree with everything you are saying as long as you truly mean it. So I'll take your word for it and believe you are only preparing us for the future. The issue with saying it  is by repeating it, it helps spread the misinformation. That could be viewed as negligence especially when you know better. You are the one with the helpful graphs/tables about sales, so you ofcourse want accurate information. You spread the correct information via your threads.



Phenomajp13 said:

I agree with everything you are saying as long as you truly mean it. So I'll take your word for it and believe you are only preparing us for the future. The issue with saying it is by repeating it, it helps spread the misinformation. That could be viewed as negligence especially when you know better. You are the one with the helpful graphs/tables about sales, so you ofcourse want accurate information. You spread the correct information via your threads.

That is additional point to the things too, yes. I care very much about the accurate information. It's also the reason I haven't added "rest of the world" since after consulting with trunks, it was clear there are no enough data for it, and the data couldn't be enough accurate, which in turn meant I didn't want to add something that is not as accurate as possible.

I haven't repeated it, I wrote it once, I am not sure if I have written it twice, but other than that, the only time where I get back to that sentence was on the posts you provoke me to write, the answers to your posts here. The fact that there may be some people in the future who are desperate and will look for 162M is not misinformation. There is a big chance it will be a reality.



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Ultimate Showdowns: JP 2023 / JP 2024 / JP 2025 / 2025 / 2024 / 2023 / 20222021

Lifetime Showdowns: Global / Regional / Historical / YOY Charts / 140M+ Club Chart

Polls: When will the Switch: Outsell the DS? / Outsell the PS2? / LT expectations of: Switch / PS5 / XBSX

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Phenomajp13 said:
farlaff said:

No, the thread in theory needs no more of any of the things that have been pushed. The title of the OP is 

"The Road to 160m+ for Nintendo Switch"

Meaning, what has to happen so Switch gets to 160kk lifetime sales. Every other things regarding Sony is pretty much extra, so it is not directly related to the discussion, as interesting as it may seem to talk about a race to "best sold console of all time".

I know we no longer have access to the original post because of the hack but if I recall correctly that goal was chosen because of the PS2. 160 million would be a very random goal, so it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility to believe it (the goal) was chosen because of the PS2. Certain posters are now moving the goalpost because of fear of Switch likely to pull it off. Rol (the OP) from the offset said the Switch wouldn't be replaced until I believe this year lol. 

The goal post had been moved serveral times. Now we stand by 160 million. Some called the 160,6 million picture a fact but changed to "fake" when they say the "more promising" random internet speculations about 158- 162 million or some abnormal unrealistic numbers. I am somehow tired to explain this so often... its like with children: 158 million was a number out of an asumption because people thought "over 155 million sold" meant ~ 3 million on shelfes (155+ 3= 158). But we know "over 155 million sold" lead to the at that time confirmed "155,1 million shiped" number as of march 2012. This hack is responsible we have no more access to this numbers and i wouldn't even be surprised if Sony themselfes did it in order to let this number disappear hoping we would forget the original number. 



XtremeBG said:
Phenomajp13 said:

I agree with everything you are saying as long as you truly mean it. So I'll take your word for it and believe you are only preparing us for the future. The issue with saying it is by repeating it, it helps spread the misinformation. That could be viewed as negligence especially when you know better. You are the one with the helpful graphs/tables about sales, so you ofcourse want accurate information. You spread the correct information via your threads.

That is additional point to the things too, yes. I care very much about the accurate information. It's also the reason I haven't added "rest of the world" since after consulting with trunks, it was clear there are no enough data for it, and the data couldn't be enough accurate, which in turn meant I didn't want to add something that is not as accurate as possible.

I haven't repeated it, I wrote it once, I am not sure if I have written it twice, but other than that, the only time where I get back to that sentence was on the posts you provoke me to write, the answers to your posts here. The fact that there may be some people in the future who are desperate and will look for 162M is not misinformation. There is a big chance it will be a reality.

Just to clarify, no I'm saying the desperate folks repeating it are not the misinformation, I'm saying the theoretical range is the misinformation. You are correct their will still be people trying to push that 162, which is just their coping mechanism. They just dont matter because Sony is the authoritive figure.

Also I'm not saying you are constantly repeating it, im saying by saying it once helps spread the misinformation. The misinformation is the 162. Sony has confirmed the goal is 160.6 million.



Phenomajp13 said:

Just to clarify, no I'm saying the desperate folks repeating it are not the misinformation, I'm saying the theoretical range is the misinformation. You are correct their will still be people trying to push that 162, which is just their coping mechanism. They just dont matter because Sony is the authoritive figure.

Also I'm not saying you are constantly repeating it, im saying by saying it once helps spread the misinformation. The misinformation is the 162. Sony has confirmed the goal is 160.6 million.

The 161.8M was miss spread long ago by many people everywhere. So I do nothing to spread it more, since almost anyone knows about that theoretical max. I am just saying, some desperate people may return to the now miss information of 161.8M.



My primary threads:

Ultimate Showdowns: JP 2023 / JP 2024 / JP 2025 / 2025 / 2024 / 2023 / 20222021

Lifetime Showdowns: Global / Regional / Historical / YOY Charts / 140M+ Club Chart

Polls: When will the Switch: Outsell the DS? / Outsell the PS2? / LT expectations of: Switch / PS5 / XBSX

Phenomajp13 said:
XtremeBG said:

I agree with everything you are saying as long as you truly mean it. So I'll take your word for it and believe you are only preparing us for the future. The issue with saying it  is by repeating it, it helps spread the misinformation. That could be viewed as negligence especially when you know better. You are the one with the helpful graphs/tables about sales, so you ofcourse want accurate information. You spread the correct information via your threads.

Most of this entire conversation could've been avoided if you hadn't acted all accusatory towards him and just took his word for it earlier. You really should stop with the combative posts.



Norion said:
Phenomajp13 said:

I agree with everything you are saying as long as you truly mean it. So I'll take your word for it and believe you are only preparing us for the future. The issue with saying it  is by repeating it, it helps spread the misinformation. That could be viewed as negligence especially when you know better. You are the one with the helpful graphs/tables about sales, so you ofcourse want accurate information. You spread the correct information via your threads.

Most of this entire conversation could've been avoided if you hadn't acted all accusatory towards him and just took his word for it earlier. You really should stop with the combative posts.

And then miss out on all the fun? If he didn't enjoy it as much as I do, then he wouldn't engage. So neither he or I truly want me to stop doing that.