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shikamaru317 said:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/02/15/gina-carano-reveals-disney-and-lucasfilm-tried-to-force-her-to-apologize-to-the-pronoun-gang/

Lots of interesting stuff in that interview:

  • Gina claims that LucasFilm attempted to force her to read a public apology that they wrote after the pronoun debacle last year. She refused and released a statement in her own words instead, a statement letting people know that she wasn't attacking trans people, but rather the mob who likes to force people to put pronouns into their twitter profiles. She says that because she released her own statement instead of the apology they wrote for her, LucasFilm removed her from the press tour and promotional materials for season 2 (we already knew part of this, as the artist commissioned to do the promotional artwork for season 2 said that he had already drawn Cara Dune, only to be asked to remove Cara and put Ahsoka into the artwork instead, before LucasFilm made him remove his tweet saying that they forced him to remove Cara from the artwork)
  • Gina claims she found out that she was fired from social media the night that LucasFilm released the statement, apparently LucasFilm didn't even have the decency to call her and tell her she was fired or ask her to apologize publicly instead of firing her
  • Gina explains the thought process behind her first tweet that people thought was anti-semitic, the picture of the old men in suits playing a game of monopoly on the backs of naked slaves, with the caption "All we have to do is stand up and their little game is over". Her statement on why she posted it is “The image for me was a statement that people need to stand together and rise up, stop being so manipulated by the powers that believe they know what’s best for you and play games with our lives.” She claims she had no idea that the old men playing monopoly in the picture were supposed to be Jewish. 
  • Gina's statement on Jewish people: “My heart has only ever had ultimate respect and love for the Jewish community.”
  • Ben Shapiro came to her defense saying: “I know what antisemitism looks like, being one of the more prominent kippah-wearing people out there. This doesn’t chart. I don’t like the meme, especially given its origins. But antisemitism, like racism — and contrary to the NYT’s executive editor’s dictum — requires intent. Gina obviously didn’t have any such intent. Gina isn’t antisemitic. Period. This meme is being ‘resurfaced’ as a post-facto justification for an unjustifiable cancellation. Gina wasn’t aware of the origins of the original picture, and was devastated to hear about it, just as she has been devastated by the absurd and bad faith contention that she is antisemitic in any way."

So we know that she had caused issues for Disney several times in the past, refused to comply with their requests for how to handle it, and still was given numerous chances which she repeatedly burned.

Yeah, I can't say I feel too bad.



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shikamaru317 said:
sundin13 said:

So we know that she had caused issues for Disney several times in the past, refused to comply with their requests for how to handle it, and still was given numerous chances which she repeatedly burned.

Yeah, I can't say I feel too bad.

Quite the opposite for me. The fact that LucasFilm wanted to Gina to apologize (with a statement they wrote) to a mob that attacked her and even sent her death threats over a statement about profile pronouns, makes me hate Kathleen Kennedy era LucasFilm even more than I already do. 

You didn't really defend against what he said. You've only pointed out how upset you are over Gina Carano being forced to apologize for blatant discrimination and that somehow the public reaction against her warrants forgiveness for her transgression? Also, someone named Kathleen Kennedy is your hated boogeywoman. 

The point still stands that Carano was well aware she was on thin ice because of multiple warnings about her misconduct. Disney gave her an opportunity, and she thoroughly blew it. She's an entitled celebrity facing the consequences for unprofessionalism and stupidity.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

I didn't attack anyone, I said they were acting intolerant. I don't need a warning from you. You made it up.



So strange that as a left leaning person, I find myself almost exclusively agreeing with people that are more right leaning in this thread.

The response from the left to these type of situations is super concerning. I think an earlier poster captured it quite nicely, Gina has a right to her opinions, Disney has a right to act on theirs, but whether or not they should in this case probably not.



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Shinobi-san said:

So strange that as a left leaning person, I find myself almost exclusively agreeing with people that are more right leaning in this thread.

The response from the left to these type of situations is super concerning. I think an earlier poster captured it quite nicely, Gina has a right to her opinions, Disney has a right to act on theirs, but whether or not they should in this case probably not.

As a left leaning person I despise the comments Gina said (at least as far as I read up on them, as I didn't follow the drama first-hand), but it worries me that so many are so willing to give a company the power to fire someone easily over political squabbles. That happened to left-leaning persons in the past and it will again if we don't restrict the ability of companies to do that. Just as a reminder:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Ten

I don't want to compare Gina Carano with Edward Dmytryk. But I just have the gut feeling, that the next time it will not be Carano but a leftist. Because whatever people here in the thread claim: Disney isn't a leftist company or ruled by SJWs. They are a company ruled by capitalists. The decision to fire Carano was one they expect to take the least losses over compared the the backlash if they keep her.



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Solves the need for finding a (lead) actress for the next Daily Wire film.

Plus Run, Hide, Fight is a lot better than anything Disney has produced lately, so at least Gina won't be going to waste.

I wouldn't put it past Shapiro and his crew to cast her as a Jew or someone noble defending Jews. That would certainly keep the memes flowing while proving the point even more so.

The problem is slowly solving itself. Now that's efficiency.



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Shinobi-san said:

So strange that as a left leaning person, I find myself almost exclusively agreeing with people that are more right leaning in this thread.

The response from the left to these type of situations is super concerning. I think an earlier poster captured it quite nicely, Gina has a right to her opinions, Disney has a right to act on theirs, but whether or not they should in this case probably not.

Yep. Worst of all several "journalists" keep on insisting what she said was anti-semitic, which definitely was not. It was a terrible and unfortunate comparison and I am a person that thinks if you bring Nazi stuff to a discussion it makes you automatically retarded. 

Imagine if we start firing all artists/players that say something stupid at some point. It makes no sense and most of them would be fired.

She said something cringeworthy, we facepalm, we and her move on. Thats how it should be.

Funny thing is the fact that she was cancelled and painted as antisemitic for saying something that wasnt racist, wasnt ofensive, wasnt vulgar, was just an unfortunate and cringeworthy comparison, just makes the point or her tweet as valid.



Mnementh said:
Shinobi-san said:

So strange that as a left leaning person, I find myself almost exclusively agreeing with people that are more right leaning in this thread.

The response from the left to these type of situations is super concerning. I think an earlier poster captured it quite nicely, Gina has a right to her opinions, Disney has a right to act on theirs, but whether or not they should in this case probably not.

As a left leaning person I despise the comments Gina said (at least as far as I read up on them, as I didn't follow the drama first-hand), but it worries me that so many are so willing to give a company the power to fire someone easily over political squabbles. That happened to left-leaning persons in the past and it will again if we don't restrict the ability of companies to do that. Just as a reminder:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Ten

I don't want to compare Gina Carano with Edward Dmytryk. But I just have the gut feeling, that the next time it will not be Carano but a leftist. Because whatever people here in the thread claim: Disney isn't a leftist company or ruled by SJWs. They are a company ruled by capitalists. The decision to fire Carano was one they expect to take the least losses over compared the the backlash if they keep her.

Here is the much more in depth English Wikipedia entry about the Hollywood Ten and other blacklisted artist:

Hollywood blacklist - Wikipedia



Mnementh said:
Shinobi-san said:

So strange that as a left leaning person, I find myself almost exclusively agreeing with people that are more right leaning in this thread.

The response from the left to these type of situations is super concerning. I think an earlier poster captured it quite nicely, Gina has a right to her opinions, Disney has a right to act on theirs, but whether or not they should in this case probably not.

As a left leaning person I despise the comments Gina said (at least as far as I read up on them, as I didn't follow the drama first-hand), but it worries me that so many are so willing to give a company the power to fire someone easily over political squabbles. That happened to left-leaning persons in the past and it will again if we don't restrict the ability of companies to do that. Just as a reminder:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Ten

I don't want to compare Gina Carano with Edward Dmytryk. But I just have the gut feeling, that the next time it will not be Carano but a leftist. Because whatever people here in the thread claim: Disney isn't a leftist company or ruled by SJWs. They are a company ruled by capitalists. The decision to fire Carano was one they expect to take the least losses over compared the the backlash if they keep her.

Out of curiosity, what exactly did Gina say that you found worthy of despise? I've personally identified as left-leaning my entire life, but lately have been distancing myself from that side of the spectrum, not because my views have changed, but because the definitions of what it means to be left-leaning have changed. Under the old definition, I can't really find anything she said that is worth despising. If there's something I missed though, I'd be happy to hear it.



Chris Hu said:
Mnementh said:

As a left leaning person I despise the comments Gina said (at least as far as I read up on them, as I didn't follow the drama first-hand), but it worries me that so many are so willing to give a company the power to fire someone easily over political squabbles. That happened to left-leaning persons in the past and it will again if we don't restrict the ability of companies to do that. Just as a reminder:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Ten

I don't want to compare Gina Carano with Edward Dmytryk. But I just have the gut feeling, that the next time it will not be Carano but a leftist. Because whatever people here in the thread claim: Disney isn't a leftist company or ruled by SJWs. They are a company ruled by capitalists. The decision to fire Carano was one they expect to take the least losses over compared the the backlash if they keep her.

Here is the much more in depth English Wikipedia entry about the Hollywood Ten and other blacklisted artist:

Hollywood blacklist - Wikipedia

Thanks, I wasn't even aware I linked the german Wikipedia article.



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