until dawn just needs to get rid of those shitty animations. a game like that needs high quality animations to make everything seem smooth and flow easily. if they are as shitty and shoppy as they were back in gamescom then i wont even bother with the game. 

Compare today's shooters to those of yesteryear, and today's efforts, while sporting a superficially impressive veneer, are for the most part laughably linear, choice is merely an illusion, and the monotony is only broken up by an occasional large set piece. Vintage shooters such as unreal, Turok,, quake, doom etc. had complex maps and a surprising amount of exploration, which I find makes me feel less like a monkey mindlessly lining up head shots.

I'm still giving the game a fair chance, very intrigued by its setting. I hope it impresses in December and I'll decide in February if I'll get it or not.

Fuck the people that decided that linearity is now a bad thing in games, the Uncharted series is one of the best in gaming imo and those games are also linear, broaden your horizon folks.

Well we'll see, if it has a good story I think it can do well, though Far Cry 4 and Mordor have been getting good reviews with little story. Heavy Rain got away with it because of the bonkers branching plot. I have no idea how the Walking Dead (and other Telltale games) get all these good reviews when they have no gameplay or choice

There is linear, then there's ultra linear. There should still be enough tools for you to experiement and try different techniques, you also need the ocassional more open area to change the pace up a bit. Or you just do everything perfectly, see Uncharted 2 Among Thieves.

First of all, I would like to say that, judgement at this point can only be made using the information and gameplay that is public, so any retorts of "how do you know the whole game is like that" should and will be ignored.

Anyways, linearity is a red herring. The real issue is lack of gameplay diversity and the "run to the next cutscene" style of the game. I think the best example of this is the lycan gameplay video that we've seen quite a few times, just look at how the gameplay breaks down:

It starts with a cutscene, then you get about 10sec of gameplay (signified by the HUD's appearance), then about 25sec of cutscene (ending in a pseudo-QTE), then you get about 4 second of gameplay before going into another cutscene lasting about 50seconds, then gameplay for 5seconds.

That is absolutely ridiculous. This meeting with the lycan appears to be your first meeting and as such, it is the most important because the player doesn't know what to do. Allowing the player almost full control in the area would have made this scene immensely powerful, and instead they opted for showing you everything instead of letting you play it.

The other video is just badly designed whack a mole for a few minutes with one of the most boring shooting galleries I have seen in a while. If these materials are what the dev feels do the best job in convincing people to be interested in this game, I am legitimately terrified as to what the rest of the game will bring...

Linearity, I think, is a red herring. There's no witch hunt, among consumers or in the media, for linear games. Many recent linear titles -- Wolfenstein, The Evil Within, Alien: Isolation, to name a few -- sold and scored well. Heck, Bayonetta just scored a 91. If we go back to the previous generation, linear games like Uncharted 2 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 are among the highest rated games of all time.

People are complaining about The Order because it doesn't look like fun to play, and because it seems like the developer prioritized story and graphics over gameplay.

I think the game can do very well for itself. I'm hoping it will stay above an 80 metacritic which would be pretty damn good. With some actual advertising, it can sell well.

I personally am perfectly fine with linear, story driven games, barely play online multiplayer and have no grips against QTEs. It's the perfect game for me.

I don't understand the "innovation" people are looking for when indies occupy that mantra.

It tells me that certain people are judging a game based on very little information. I wonder why?

Thank you!  I have actually seen some people start saying there are too many choices in some games.  At the end of the day we should just see how good it is when it comes out.