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CosmicSex said:
shavenferret said:

Furthermore, it’s not just certain religions, ethnic groups, and nations that I have a dislike for. It is my own government as well. I follow the first amendment audit movement. The highlight of my brief activism was when I got officer E fired from his off duty job when he got stupid in me. I prefer libertarian politics and am midway between liberal and conservative. But the public servants had better uphold and defend our constitution or they’re gonna get a lawsuit. And I care nothing wrong with judging our government as doing wrong. I see nothing wrong with making generalizations about the government. I can and will do the same for other groups. If they don’t want the criticism then they shouldn’t act wrongly.

I am simply implying that you need to be flexible with how you define people at large.  You have to be able to understand that a government and its laws are not a reflection of all the people that live in an area.  You stated that much already about yourself and the government here in the United States.  Just because stupidity provades our society doesn't mean that all Americans are stupid.  Doesn't mean that you can't call out stupidty in our society.  Its a balancing act and even though it requires us to understand complexities before us, we are more than capable as human beings of meeting that challange.  Bigoty against gay people by governments in those countries is obviously not equivilant to saying that Afraicans are bigots.  In fact, the there are many people there who share your disdain for such bigoty and we are all better served by empowering and highlighting those individuals as we shame the unfair laws.  We ought to be doing both at the same time.  

I don't believe that everyone in Africa is prejudiced, but if these notions are popular enough to become codified into law then then that says a lot of negative things about the area, especially when 30 nations have such laws.  That's beyond intolerable.  Have some moral courage, and call something wrong when it deserves as such.   

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EricHiggin said:

Sounds kinda like "live and let live" old school liberalism.

Except that Africans are prejudiced people and don't live and let live.  The discrimination and unjust laws run opposite to that explanation.  It's pretty simple.

They're from Africa. An entirely different continent. An entirely different culture. An entirely different type of peoples. Do they not have the right to operate as they wish to?

Take the religious baker and the gay wed couple in America. Both had rights but the rights conflicted. So how do you solve it? The answer is let the system solve it naturally itself. If the business doesn't want to cater to you, go to another that will. If you think that's wrong and want to push for change, challenge the business in a more natural way, like socially. Perhaps start your own business and compete. Run it yourself or find the right people and invest in them.

Maybe the majority agree with you and those type of businesses suffer because of it, or maybe things stay the same. Maybe those business don't care and suffer, or go bankrupt, or eventually change to the masses liking. 

The point is live and let live works very well. It just takes time. Which people today irrationally find unacceptable and inexcusable.



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EricHiggin said:
shavenferret said:

Except that Africans are prejudiced people and don't live and let live.  The discrimination and unjust laws run opposite to that explanation.  It's pretty simple.

They're from Africa. An entirely different continent. An entirely different culture. An entirely different type of peoples. Do they not have the right to operate as they wish to?

Take the religious baker and the gay wed couple in America. Both had rights but the rights conflicted. So how do you solve it? The answer is let the system solve it naturally itself. If the business doesn't want to cater to you, go to another that will. If you think that's wrong and want to push for change, challenge the business in a more natural way, like socially. Perhaps start your own business and compete. Run it yourself or find the right people and invest in them.

Maybe the majority agree with you and those type of businesses suffer because of it, or maybe things stay the same. Maybe those business don't care and suffer, or go bankrupt, or eventually change to the masses liking. 

The point is live and let live works very well. It just takes time. Which people today irrationally find unacceptable and inexcusable.

Now, we have the option of protesting and voicing ourselves over media.  Books, YT, scholarship, people making talking points over various forms of discrimination,etc.     

This sounds kind of like what SvennoJ was saying, but for perhaps different reasons.  You seem to want a slower paced solution by this live and let live approach.  He would sympathize but disliked coming down on certain groups (like american blacks) if they've been discriminated against in the past.  Liberalism turns into something that can forgive various groups of their wrongdoings.  



Well big parts of africa are islamic right?
And islam/islamic people are uh verry anti lgbqti and i say this in a extremely downtowned way or else i get banned.

Most if not all violence against the lgbqti community is from islamic people in my country.

Cheistians are a lot more how do you say it,lesss vocal and a LOT less violent towards it.

But ofc ill prob get banned to speak out.



 

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EricHiggin said:
shavenferret said:

Except that Africans are prejudiced people and don't live and let live.  The discrimination and unjust laws run opposite to that explanation.  It's pretty simple.

They're from Africa. An entirely different continent. An entirely different culture. An entirely different type of peoples. Do they not have the right to operate as they wish to?

Take the religious baker and the gay wed couple in America. Both had rights but the rights conflicted. So how do you solve it? The answer is let the system solve it naturally itself. If the business doesn't want to cater to you, go to another that will. If you think that's wrong and want to push for change, challenge the business in a more natural way, like socially. Perhaps start your own business and compete. Run it yourself or find the right people and invest in them.

Maybe the majority agree with you and those type of businesses suffer because of it, or maybe things stay the same. Maybe those business don't care and suffer, or go bankrupt, or eventually change to the masses liking. 

The point is live and let live works very well. It just takes time. Which people today irrationally find unacceptable and inexcusable.

I agree being different nations, Africans have the right to deal with their issues as they see fit 

As for your solution: This definitely doesn't work 

There is a reason why black Americans are a different ethnicity compared to white Americans. The results are racial tensions and structural problems related to violence and crime and an importance to race so ingrained on US social fabric that is very hard to change 

Most countries that needed to make different ethnicities work together to create a sense of national identity did the other way around: They made interaction mandatory and discrimination a crime. Brazil did this, Indonesia did this, Russia did this, China is doing this

The idea is you don't want people inside your own country seeing each other as rivals or enemies, this leads to further conflicts  

I find hilarious you think this bullshit works. Works for who? Not for the people who are having limited rights and being treated as second class citzens, this I can confirm

I answer: It works to preserve the rights and social standing of people who already has higher social standing. This is by design



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shavenferret said:
EricHiggin said:

They're from Africa. An entirely different continent. An entirely different culture. An entirely different type of peoples. Do they not have the right to operate as they wish to?

Take the religious baker and the gay wed couple in America. Both had rights but the rights conflicted. So how do you solve it? The answer is let the system solve it naturally itself. If the business doesn't want to cater to you, go to another that will. If you think that's wrong and want to push for change, challenge the business in a more natural way, like socially. Perhaps start your own business and compete. Run it yourself or find the right people and invest in them.

Maybe the majority agree with you and those type of businesses suffer because of it, or maybe things stay the same. Maybe those business don't care and suffer, or go bankrupt, or eventually change to the masses liking. 

The point is live and let live works very well. It just takes time. Which people today irrationally find unacceptable and inexcusable.

Now, we have the option of protesting and voicing ourselves over media.  Books, YT, scholarship, people making talking points over various forms of discrimination,etc.     

This sounds kind of like what SvennoJ was saying, but for perhaps different reasons.  You seem to want a slower paced solution by this live and let live approach.  He would sympathize but disliked coming down on certain groups (like american blacks) if they've been discriminated against in the past.  Liberalism turns into something that can forgive various groups of their wrongdoings.  

I assume 'He' refers to me in your last paragraph, so let me clear some things up a bit :)

I do no sympathize letting the market solve systemic discrimination, in the best case scenario that would only lead to segregation, not integration and mutual respect / equality. Plus those marginalized do not have the means to start a business. Plus the idea that the majority will agree is not how progress works, that's how preservation of the group and perpetuation of ostracism works. Even if the majority agrees, it's still those in power economically that set the course.

I'm not talking about forgiving various groups of their wrongdoings. I gave explanations of why this happens (human nature, tribalism, survival of the fittest when oppressed) and how to solve it (real equality including social economic status and address systemic racism) It's not forgiveness, it's understanding that pointing fingers and ostracism of various groups only furthers the problems you want changed. Change requires both a bottom up and top down approach.

Take for example Iran where there is a big 'underground' of more liberal values. Those are the seeds for change. The government was slowly changing to get more tolerant, revoking the most restricting laws or at least not acting on them. Eventually this leads to policy changes as the government wants votes from minority groups as well, or simply stay in power without worrying about revolts. Then top down changes make sure the majority follows.

Of course Trump/Netty stoking up the protests early this year, turning them violent hoping to instigate a revolt only has the opposite effect. The worry about a revolt induces changes, an actual revolt ends in a bloodbath and people digging their heels in. Then of course bombing Iran set all progress back (likely by design, the west doesn't want a progressive Iran, they want a bogeyman) and the grassroots organization for change are hit hardest in the outcome while more radical hardliners take over to preserve the sovereignty of the country. In times of hardship, marginalized groups suffer the most.

Look at the USA, the worry about people rising up keeps Trump from nuking Iran and putting boots on the ground. While an actual storming of congress / the White house will end in civil war and chaos where marginalized groups better move out of the way... 

I don't know what liberals are saying, but understanding is not the same as forgiving. It's to find the best way to induce change rather than making it 'their' identity. To induce the same path of change as happened in the West where the grip of religion lost power over people because they were no longer living meal to meal and now had time and means to stand up for those ostracized to keep the group tightly controlled. Poverty leads to / reinforces discrimination. MAGA's / the elite's strategy is to destroy the middle class to better / more easily control the group again with divide and rule. Pointing fingers at outliers / putting the blame for your hardships on outliers is the core strategy. That has to change.