| pokoko said: It has little to do with religion, at least in the United States. |
ahhhh, yes. The southern mentality, the honor culture.
| pokoko said: It has little to do with religion, at least in the United States. |
ahhhh, yes. The southern mentality, the honor culture.
A lot of anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment in Africa is being fostered by white American evangelicals. Case in point: Uganda, which is 82% Christian, more than the US.
The US connection to Uganda’s ‘kill the gays’ bill - Washington Post
A group of Ugandi LGBTQ+ activists tried to sue Scott Lively, the American pastor largely responsible for the “kill the gays” law. Their suit was dismissed because the court lacked jurisdiction to hear the cass, but the judge acknowledged that they had a legitimate complaint.
| SanAndreasX said: A lot of anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment in Africa is being fostered by white American evangelicals. Case in point: Uganda, which is 82% Christian, more than the US. The US connection to Uganda’s ‘kill the gays’ bill - Washington Post A group of Ugandi LGBTQ+ activists tried to sue Scott Lively, the American pastor largely responsible for the “kill the gays” law. Their suit was dismissed because the court lacked jurisdiction to hear the cass, but the judge acknowledged that they had a legitimate complaint. Sexual Minorities Uganda v. Lively, No. 17-1593 (1st Cir. 2018) |
But Uganda is mostly Catholic right? As far as I know American evangelicals are not Catholic. I might be wrong. Just sounds weird to think 'a lot' is due to Americans in an East African country.
Tober said:
But Uganda is mostly Catholic right? As far as I know American evangelicals are not Catholic. I might be wrong. Just sounds weird to think 'a lot' is due to Americans in an East African country. |
42% Catholic, 29% Protestant.
American right wingers have been waging concerted, well-funded efforts on Africa to get these laws passed for almosf 20 years. Evangelicals are willing to use receptive Catholics to their own ends as well. They love Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, who are both Catholic, and right-wing Catholics in the US, even members of the clergy, have likewise aligned themselves with evangelicals, even over the Pope.
shavenferret said:
So you don’t like me pointing fingers at you then? It makes you feel bad huh? Well you should be critical of these issues, many lgbtq people have been killed in Africa. And Americans should not stand for the homophobia of blacks either. They shouldn’t get a free pass on that, because it takes everyone to make a great society. |
Are you pointing fingers at me also now? For what?
You started out hallucinating about hypocrisies, and as soon as you get pushback on it, you just moved the goal post. You claim you aren't supposed to be outraged, says who? And you say "Liberal people logic makes you first calculate...", who has that logic?
Give us a name so we know where to target the anger!
| SanAndreasX said: A lot of anti-LGBTQ+ sentiment in Africa is being fostered by white American evangelicals. Case in point: Uganda, which is 82% Christian, more than the US. The US connection to Uganda’s ‘kill the gays’ bill - Washington Post A group of Ugandi LGBTQ+ activists tried to sue Scott Lively, the American pastor largely responsible for the “kill the gays” law. Their suit was dismissed because the court lacked jurisdiction to hear the cass, but the judge acknowledged that they had a legitimate complaint. Sexual Minorities Uganda v. Lively, No. 17-1593 (1st Cir. 2018) |
Whatever the case is with christians.... it is worse for Islam.
There are islamist that kill gay people in the middel east.
There is currently a Cruise ship, that has been denied entry into multiple muslim countries (turkey,egypt, ect) because they "went against the muslim countries moral standards" (explaination given).
Basically they don't want gay people there, and don't want to put up with say.... a certain amount of them being killed there, hitting the news.
So it is just "no entry" for gay people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDc4wFPnsRQ


Yeah it's always struck me as paradoxical that those who aggressively push for LGBT rights/welfare/interests also seem to look favourably on Islam, despite the fact that homosexuality is persecuted in most Muslim countries.
| curl-6 said: Yeah it's always struck me as paradoxical that those who aggressively push for LGBT rights/welfare/interests also seem to look favourably on Islam, despite the fact that homosexuality is persecuted in most Muslim countries. |
In the US, the persecution overwhelmingly comes from evangelical Christians. American Muslims tend to live and let live.
There is no excuse for double-tapping Iranian schools, or what Texas evangelicals are trying to do to the Muslim population.
There's also the realization that what we allow Christian evangelicals to do to Muslims while they are in power, they can easily do to other groups of people. They're already turning their ire on East Asians, Indians, blacks, and people in blue states.


SanAndreasX said:
In the US, the persecution overwhelmingly comes from evangelical Christians. American Muslims tend to live and let live. There is no excuse for double-tapping Iranian schools, or what Texas evangelicals are trying to do to the Muslim population. There's also the realization that what we allow Christian evangelicals to do to Muslims while they are in power, they can easily do to other groups of people. They're already turning their ire on East Asians, Indians, blacks, and people in blue states. |
Nobody’s saying evangelical authoritarianism isn't also shit, it is, but there does seem to be a double standard where some of the more vocal folks that fight so hard for gay people in the developed world seem willing to ignore many Islamic countries doing far, far worse.
Homophobia exists in the West, but we tend not to jail or execute people for being gay.
shavenferret said:
Africa is notoriously homophobic because of their christianity/islamic influence, and also because 3rd world areas seem to be worse with this because they rely more on manual labor. This manual labor stuff brings about a valuation of mental strength more than say Americans need, and so that's why they are worse over there. I think that black people have taken these attitudes to a degree from their african descendants and thus we have their intolerance. But nobody will say anything about it because of black people's historical legacy of oppression. |
Why describe Africans as homophobic just because they don't accept a certain culture?
Look at it this way, Over 200million people have bought GTA 5. Can we say same for UNCHARTED 1, Final fantasy VII, MGS4, etc? Whiles individuals have have choices so do societies too.
In Africa polygamy is accepted, a man can marry a lot of women through traditional marriage or religion provided he has the means. Women in polygamous marriages respect their husband. Polygamy offers the man the variety of women that we needs and a lot of men are comfortable with it. In the African society, the men mostly have upper-hand when it comes to marriage.
We also practice the western type of marriage, one man one wife. Previously, men dominate and control affairs in these marriages but with the adoption of certain western cultures like women's rights, equal rights, western movies, and feminism, some women speak against certain treatments. Whiles some of these treatments are bad, some of them too are seen as exaggerations dues to certain demands they want from the man. Most men gets frustrated with these marriages and eventually divorce. Few results in physical violence but verbal insult exchanges are common. Where i live, it is not common to see a man killing a woman in a relationship. We have ways of resolving marriage or relational disputes, through respected friends, families, or the church.
Some men secretly have side chicks aside their wives. sometimes when the wives get to know about it they go in for divorce but not the case with many. A lot of such men satisfy their families first before the side chicks.
If you look at western countries like US and Canada, there are gender wars and this is my opinion. When there are disputes in heterosexually relationships one wants to inflict more pain on the other. That pain can be deadly or long lasting ruining lives. A man can kill a woman and spend the rest of his life in jail. A woman can seek divorce and take a good amount of money from the man. Many people who wants to avoid these resorts to same sex marriages. With time society have accepted same sex marriages and so a young person growing up can make up their minds which gender they wants to be.
Situations lead people into adopting certain cultures.
Africa practices one-man-one-wife marriages and Polygamy. Western countries also have one-man-one-wife and LGBTQ marriages.What works for one society does not necessarily have to work for the other.
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