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LipeJJ said:

I can't say much about how things are in the US, but where I live (Brazil) when someone says something homophobic they get called out regardless of color. I mean, that's what I can see from my personal experience.

As a Brazillian, can confirm. Nobody cares about your skin color, if you are homophobe people will rage against you, and people who are also homophobic will praise you 

In fact, here homophobia is a crime punished by racism laws, so by all accounts they are legally the same crime

There were few black militants who were outraged by the equalization of homophobia to racism arguing this was going to punish black people disproportionately, but they were destroyed online and quickly shut their mouths, as even black queer people were absolutely disgusted by them 

So yeah, definitly not a thing here



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shavenferret said:
Tober said:

In general I don't like to group people together and trow them in a bucket with a sticker on it. Doesn't matter if it's about colour gender or what not.

So I'm not a fan of this bucket LGTBQABC+++ or something. It's like a gay person automatically lives in the same world as a transgender. So if not a fan of supporting under age sex hormone therapy, would somehow be also meaning having something against gay people because it's all LGBTQ issues. I find this nonsense.

About the topic at hand. I choose to not behave like a pastor waving fingers on other peoples culture and feel morally superior. Africa is a different continent. A huge one at that with plenty of different cultures within. There might be places that are homophobic, there might be places that are not. It's tricky to generalize when the place is so freaking huge.

I also don't understand what this 'black culture' is supposed to be. Does an Aboriginal have the same culture as a Zulu? Just because they both have dark skin?

I think that black people have taken these attitudes to a degree from their african descendants and thus we have their intolerance.  But nobody will say anything about it because of black people's historical legacy of oppression.   

If anything, black American LGBTQ intolerance is inherited from the Bible thumping southern U.S. rather than their African counterparts. Common mistake of conflating black Americans with native Africans. 



PortisheadBiscuit said:
shavenferret said:

I think that black people have taken these attitudes to a degree from their african descendants and thus we have their intolerance.  But nobody will say anything about it because of black people's historical legacy of oppression.   

If anything, black American LGBTQ intolerance is inherited from the Bible thumping southern U.S. rather than their African counterparts. Common mistake of conflating black Americans with native Africans. 

Black Americans seem worse than white people though. 
 Perhaps you haven’t been around a lot of black people or aren’t on the queer team so you haven’t gotten the same reactions. 



Remember, the Left did go after black men and Latino men for being misogynistic ... when they were trying to guilt them into voting for Harris. After that, I never heard anything else about it.

I live in the US South on the edge of a lower-class black community. I go half a mile and there are thugs patrolling on four wheelers. Most of my coworkers are black, including most of the supervisors and leadership. Most new hires are black, many of them local. Older black people often make fantastic coworkers. The best boss I've ever had was a black lady in her 60's.

The younger generations? We fire SO MANY for doing dumb things. One of the most common, though, is for not understanding that they can't speak the same way at work as in the hood. Either no one is teaching them or they don't care to learn. Using "bitch" for a woman is common, as is using the term "gay" for something bad. No filter at all. One guy told a crude joke about women in front of a really important client. We've fired two black guys for sexual harassment this year. I was walking behind another guy while he was singing about "bitches in the club" in a loud voice. White women from the suburbs are out there just itching for something to report.

Poor black culture is awful. It is a massive handicap for young black men especially. Though it shares some of the same problems with poor white culture, it's magnified by people being unwilling to criticize it. The negative aspects are not being called out because people are too concerned with comparing victim points. Pandering does NOT help people.



shavenferret said:

It seems like attitudes against LGBTQ stuff abound everyday in Africa.  I can point out the interview that we've gotten some yucks over.  And it's funny because they seem so backwards, and yet they are native black people and so we aren't supposed to be outraged.  So, whatever.  But, also, seems like american black people are homophobic as well, but just more mildly so.  But even liberals are supposed to be ok with this, because they are black.  It's like you can't talk about how crime is worse with black people on the news or their homophobic attitudes, because they have been victims in the past.  So now, they get a get-out-of-jail-free card to have the moral right to be this way, and white people aren't given the same thing.  

Liberal people logic makes you first calculate which group has been hurt worse in society:  gays or blacks?  If it's blacks, then there is no reason that we should hate on their attitudes.  We'll just try to listen to some rap in front of them or something to show that we like black culture.  I personally don't mind black culture, I just think that our acceptance of some things is kind of hypocritical because it's as if we are supposed to allow some people to be prejudiced but others cannot be.  

'Why are you gay?' Full interview featuring Pastor with full subtitles.


Is this a Africa issue, or a Islam issue?

Like we know what Sharia law says about "queer" people.
This is just a muslim issue right? like near 50% of africa is muslim....  (some countries are like 90%+ there)
and I suspect the places with the most negative attitudes towards LGBTQ+ is from those area (with muslim majorities).



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JRPGfan said:
shavenferret said:

It seems like attitudes against LGBTQ stuff abound everyday in Africa.  I can point out the interview that we've gotten some yucks over.  And it's funny because they seem so backwards, and yet they are native black people and so we aren't supposed to be outraged.  So, whatever.  But, also, seems like american black people are homophobic as well, but just more mildly so.  But even liberals are supposed to be ok with this, because they are black.  It's like you can't talk about how crime is worse with black people on the news or their homophobic attitudes, because they have been victims in the past.  So now, they get a get-out-of-jail-free card to have the moral right to be this way, and white people aren't given the same thing.  

Liberal people logic makes you first calculate which group has been hurt worse in society:  gays or blacks?  If it's blacks, then there is no reason that we should hate on their attitudes.  We'll just try to listen to some rap in front of them or something to show that we like black culture.  I personally don't mind black culture, I just think that our acceptance of some things is kind of hypocritical because it's as if we are supposed to allow some people to be prejudiced but others cannot be.  

'Why are you gay?' Full interview featuring Pastor with full subtitles.


Is this a Africa issue, or a Islam issue?

Like we know what Sharia law says about "queer" people.
This is just a muslim issue right? like near 50% of africa is muslim....  (some countries are like 90%+ there)
and I suspect the places with the most negative attitudes towards LGBTQ+ is from those area (with muslim majorities).

I’m seeing prejudice from most of Africa, and if there are any good liberal places there then I would be astounded. The Muslim portions don’t help but the problem is unfortunately bigger than just the Muslim areas. It has also trickled down to American blacks. 

I have you a quick summary of my thoughts, thanks for stopping by and posting. 



JRPGfan said:
shavenferret said:

It seems like attitudes against LGBTQ stuff abound everyday in Africa.  I can point out the interview that we've gotten some yucks over.  And it's funny because they seem so backwards, and yet they are native black people and so we aren't supposed to be outraged.  So, whatever.  But, also, seems like american black people are homophobic as well, but just more mildly so.  But even liberals are supposed to be ok with this, because they are black.  It's like you can't talk about how crime is worse with black people on the news or their homophobic attitudes, because they have been victims in the past.  So now, they get a get-out-of-jail-free card to have the moral right to be this way, and white people aren't given the same thing.  

Liberal people logic makes you first calculate which group has been hurt worse in society:  gays or blacks?  If it's blacks, then there is no reason that we should hate on their attitudes.  We'll just try to listen to some rap in front of them or something to show that we like black culture.  I personally don't mind black culture, I just think that our acceptance of some things is kind of hypocritical because it's as if we are supposed to allow some people to be prejudiced but others cannot be.  

'Why are you gay?' Full interview featuring Pastor with full subtitles.


Is this a Africa issue, or a Islam issue?

Like we know what Sharia law says about "queer" people.
This is just a muslim issue right? like near 50% of africa is muslim....
and I suspect the places with the most negative attitudes towards LGBTQ+ is from those area (with muslim majorities).

The Christian part of Africa is homophobic too. Homophobia is the norm in Abrahamic religions. The least homophobic part of Africa in the southern part, because South Africa is less religious and more cosmopolitan 

Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian countries, got there even before most of European nations and there homossexuality is a crime punished with prison 

In countries where Christianity is more recent (ex Congo) homossexuality was never a crime

So overall the order is cosmopolitan countries > more recently converted christian countries > older historical christian majority countries > islamic majority countries 



shavenferret said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

If anything, black American LGBTQ intolerance is inherited from the Bible thumping southern U.S. rather than their African counterparts. Common mistake of conflating black Americans with native Africans. 

Black Americans seem worse than white people though. 
 Perhaps you haven’t been around a lot of black people or aren’t on the queer team so you haven’t gotten the same reactions. 

I live in a very blue state and extremely blue city, I've been around all types. My reply was to point out your error in conflating black American culture and African culture. The former of which has roots in southern Christianity, which is very intolerant of LGBTQ rights. African culture has almost nothing to do with black American culture especially when it comes to religion.

"Black people are worse than white"? Have you taken a look at anti-LGBTQ legislation going on in many southern US states? Take a look at the average hue in lets say the Kentucky state house and senate? How about the voting bloc? This whole thing is way more nuanced than I think you're prepared to legitimately debate. 



IcaroRibeiro said:
JRPGfan said:


Is this a Africa issue, or a Islam issue?

Like we know what Sharia law says about "queer" people.
This is just a muslim issue right? like near 50% of africa is muslim....
and I suspect the places with the most negative attitudes towards LGBTQ+ is from those area (with muslim majorities).

The Christian part of Africa is homophobic too. Homophobia is the norm in Abrahamic religions. The least homophobic part of Africa in the southern part, because South Africa is less religious and more cosmopolitan 

Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian countries, got there even before most of European nations and there homossexuality is a crime punished with prison.

In countries where Christianity is more recent (ex Congo) homossexuality was never a crime

So overall the order is cosmopolitan countries > more recently converted christian countries > older historical christian majority countries > islamic majority countries 

Yep they are hardcore orthodox christianity... in ethiopia.
The majority of it ~60% is christian and the last ~40% is basically muslim.
And both of them have very negative veiws in LGBTQ.

Still prison is a lighter punishment than you would get alot of other places... where muslims make up a majority. 

Also yeah, South Africa is like ~86% Christian.... .I think they have a good amount of protestant/Catholic christians there.

Almost no orthodox christians in South Africa.

The issue is the religion.

I would say "cosmopolitan countries" in this sense could just be Protestant/Catholic vs Orthodox/muslim % in population.

Basically the higher the muslim/orthodox christian % in population, the worse things get for LGBTQ+.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 14 July 2026

It has little to do with religion, at least in the United States.

The primary reason has to do with physical dominance as a means to establish higher social status. Poor white culture and poor black culture are both very focused on proving yourself physically in terms of power and bravery. Anything that threatens the hierarchy has to be rejected and mocked, sometimes violently. It's why calling someone a "bitch" can get you killed in some places.

It's not just gender and sexuality. Being bullied for being too smart, for example, because it's a threat to someone's self-image and status.

I would guess that it's much the same in Africa, as strength and virility is a common way to determine status in poor cultures all over the world.