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Conina said:
killer7 said:

I hear so many "arguments" from peole:
PCs sell better, PC games sell better, PCs are longer supported...

Reality is: IF a PC gets supported longer you have to UPGRADE it.

No, you don't HAVE to, see above. A PC with GTX 1070 (now 8.5 years old, so longer than a console cycle) can handle ANY PC game except Indiana Jones and the Great Circle), even Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk 2077 and other heavyweights. Of course with reduced settings, but it is still supported. The same of course is true for PC systems with GTX 1080 (8.5 years old), GTX 1080 Ti (8 years old), Radeon RX Vega 56/64 (7.5 years old). Even a GTX 980 Ti (9.5 years old) still can run almost any PC game, if it doesn't need more than 6 GB VRAM.

And even a much slower Steam Deck can handle Cyberpunk 2077 and most other newer games.

You spend more on that than on a console. So no!

Yes, the price-performance-ratio of consoles is unsually better, but not leagues ahead. And the last two years, the Steam Deck had a better price-performance-ratio than a Nintendo Switch.

A PC does not get supported longer than a console!

Yes it does, see above.

More PCs are sold,? Yes, when we take every PC into account for gaming, working, research, university, hospitals... yes of course. But for gaming? How many PCs can play current games? Less than consoles.

No.

A friend of mine modded his Xbox Series X, has an illigal mod chip inside and plays every game from steam on his Xbox.

Modding and emulation as a pro argument for consoles against PC? Are you alright?
Believe me, you don't wan't to start comparisons in this direction.

And these graphic cards still get produced? Nintendos Game Boy got produced till 2003 14 years. I can asure you: No 14 years old graphics card is gonna play GTAVI!! Every Nintendo handheld lasted around 10 years. Longer than your GTX1080. See what consoled did for gamlng. Nintendo had the first vibrating controller with the rumble Pak! The Sega Saturn had an analoge Stick long before the PC! The PC is a copycat that takes many things from consoles. You sound like a PC fanboy to me. But not only that. Light guns where on consoles way before the Siniden Light Gun! Or when we look at home cinema technology: Ambilight is a Philips exclusive technology that lets your TV reflect the colors in the picture. Ambilux is even more advanced! You can pump up your PC how much you like and you won't get that there! If you want high end sound you need a professional Amplifier wich has a sound quality no PC can give you!! For gaming PCs sell worse than consoles. Combinde all Playstations (close to 600 million sold), Xboxes (nearly 200 million sold), Nintendo (systems 870 million sold!!!), i am even excluding Sega, Atari... here! These are all consoles used for gaming first and foremore!!  These are close to 2 BILLION consoles and handhelds! There are not 2 billion gaming PCs out there, not even in wicked takatuka Wonderland!! Without TV and home cinema technology PCs would not even exist!!! Why? Look at the 1930 years in Germany: They had radios, TVs but no computers!! See what i mean? You act like the PC is some godlike invention wich it isn't!



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Lol, delusional



konnichiwa said:

You don't need high powerfull PC's anymore, most PC users just like console users tend to play years old games...

Around the 7:30 minute mark, Zade decides to test the upcoming new RTS Tempest Rising on his Windows ARM Laptop (Snapdragon):

Even my partner can still play games on their OMEN gaming laptop I bought for them back in 2018, and that has a GTX 1070 Laptop GPU. I'm still sporting my 1080ti and I can still play games at 1440p and above 60fps as well, and I built my rig back in 2017.

I've no idea why Killer is so beyond understanding with how the PC platform works. It's not just "you gotta buy the fabled $2-3000 PC or it's not a gaming PC", which is an old mentality that was tossed around here and other parts of the net years ago.



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killer7 said:

And these graphic cards still get produced?

Oh, another goalpost shift. Why should they still get produced, if they can be replaced with more efficient models? The hardware doesn't have to be the same to get the same results. You don't seem to understand abstraction layers like DirectX, OpenGL or Vulcan. 

Nintendos Game Boy got produced till 2003 14 years. I can asure you: No 14 years old graphics card is gonna play GTAVI!!

No 14 year old console is gonna play GTA VI either.
No 6 year old console is gonna play GTA VI either.

No original Gameboy was playing every Gameboy Color game, only a few crossgen GBC games.

Every Nintendo handheld lasted around 10 years. Longer than your GTX1080.

But none of them was able to play all the Nintendo handheld games of a full decade. The console cycles were shorter than 10 years:

  • a 1989 Gameboy wasn't able to play every 1999 GBC game
  • a 1998 Gameboy Color wasn't able to play any GBA (2001) game  
  • a 2001 GBA wasn't able to play any DS (2005) game  
  • a 2005 DS wasn't able to play any 3DS (2011) game
  • a 2011 GBA wasn't able to play any Switch (2017) game

See what consoled did for gamlng. Nintendo had the first vibrating controller with the rumble Pak! The Sega Saturn had an analoge Stick long before the PC!

Yes, nobody is denying gaming improvements/innovations coming from consoles. But where is the relevance to the discussion about which systems are in competition NOW?

The PC is a copycat that takes many things from consoles.

No, it is a give and take between all platforms. Many gaming improvements/innovations also came from home computers and PCs (or from arcade machines) and were copied by the console manufacturers.

You sound like a PC fanboy to me.

That's funny because I like both consoles and PCs and I appreciate the advantages of both sides. You on the other hand...

But not only that. Light guns where on consoles way before the Siniden Light Gun! Or when we look at home cinema technology: Ambilight is a Philips exclusive technology that lets your TV reflect the colors in the picture. Ambilux is even more advanced! You can pump up your PC how much you like and you won't get that there! If you want high end sound you need a professional Amplifier wich has a sound quality no PC can give you!!

So now you give the credit of the accomplishments of third party and TV manufacturers and audio device manufacturers to the console platforms? That's hilarious! You are on a roll!

By the way... did you know that the first light guns were invented and produced in the 1930s? Loooong before home consoles, home computers and even the 1970's arcades.

For gaming PCs sell worse than consoles. Combinde all Playstations (close to 600 million sold), Xboxes (nearly 200 million sold), Nintendo (systems 870 million sold!!!), i am even excluding Sega, Atari... here! These are all consoles used for gaming first and foremore!!  These are close to 2 BILLION consoles and handhelds! There are not 2 billion gaming PCs out there, not even in wicked takatuka Wonderland!!

And a big share of these 2 billion consoles and handhelds are broken by now or not in use anymore for outher reasons. Same as a big share of home computers and PCs used for gaming over the last 50 years.

We also don't know the cumulative number of home computers and PCs used for gaming in the same time frame. Could be more, could be less than the cumulative number of consoles + handhelds. But again: where is the relevance to the discussion about which systems are in competition NOW?

Without TV and home cinema technology PCs would not even exist!!!

Without TV technology and computer technology, home consoles and handhelds would not exist either. Your point?

Why? Look at the 1930 years in Germany: They had radios, TVs but no computers!! See what i mean? You act like the PC is some godlike invention wich it isn't!

Then look at the 1930 years in Germany: They had radios, TVs but no home consoles or handhelds!! See what i mean? You act like the gaming console is some godlike invention wich it isn't!



killer7 said:

I hear so many "arguments" from peole:
PCs sell better, PC games sell better, PCs are longer supported...
Reality is: IF a PC gets supported longer you have to UPGRADE it. You spend more on that than on a console. So no! A PC does not get supported longer than a console! More PCs are sold,? Yes, when we take every PC into account for gaming, working, research, university, hospitals... yes of course. But for gaming? How many PCs can play current games? Less than consoles. A friend of mine modded his Xbox Series X, has an illigal mod chip inside and plays every game from steam on his Xbox. PCs get replaced through tablets and smartphones (not in gaming but work). I work in a retailer store and in sales promotion and i never use a PC! How many problems do PCs have? How often do they crash? "Error" is a PCs favourite word😉. I have an 8k TV at home that costes 7000€. This gives me a better quality than any PC monitor. If you watch movies with your family, you prefere a small PC monitor or a big 8k TV? If you play a game with Dolby Atmos, take a Dolby Set for PC or a full power amplifier that costs 5000€+ alone, and there are no boxes included. Take the same monwy and you got a full set. PCs are for working. But for Entertainment there is 8K TV, High End Home Cinema, Consoles and 0% PC! Thats the way i use it!

I can play games dating back to the 90's and even 80's. I can play games that were even exclusive to certain consoles for decades, and even above performance levels of what those consoles barely achieved back during those times.

You on the other hand cannot. You have to actually rely and be at the complete mercy of the console manufacturer to instill a tiny faction of BC support for said games, and even then you cannot guarantee better performance metrics, let alone visual improvements outside of a res bump, whilst we can brute force ours, change the code/mods the games with better visuals. 

We are not the same.

Your delusional takes on dated information and platform bias reminds me of when I first joined this site over a decade ago, and now you are practically the last of your kind of on here that still holds that mindset.

To put it bluntly:



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Chazore said:
konnichiwa said:

You don't need high powerfull PC's anymore, most PC users just like console users tend to play years old games...

Around the 7:30 minute mark, Zade decides to test the upcoming new RTS Tempest Rising on his Windows ARM Laptop (Snapdragon):

Even my partner can still play games on their OMEN gaming laptop I bought for them back in 2018, and that has a GTX 1070 Laptop GPU. I'm still sporting my 1080ti and I can still play games at 1440p and above 60fps as well, and I built my rig back in 2017.

I've no idea why Killer is so beyond understanding with how the PC platform works. It's not just "you gotta buy the fabled $2-3000 PC or it's not a gaming PC", which is an old mentality that was tossed around here and other parts of the net years ago.

Even in the past: I played UFO and Doom and my father Civilization on the 386 PC he bought mostly as an office PC. You could always play games on weak PC. Now, there are always games that demand all the power available at the moment, but most aren't. And especially on PC you also have a lot of performance options (and always had). You want modern Raytracing in 4K? Yes, you need powerful hardware. But if you are OK with 1080p, no raytracing and fewer effects you can play perfectly fine on an older PC.



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killer7 said:

Look at the 1930 years in Germany: They had radios, TVs but no computers!!

LOL. No other country had computers either (or video game consoles, which are specialized computers). The first computers were built in the 1940s. And incidentally first in germany, as Konrad Zuse built the first working computer. The Z1 from 1938 is not always seen as a full computer, but the Z3 from 1941 is. So germany had a computer first in 1941, but many others followed quickly as the upsides were clear.



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TruckOSaurus said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Oh good. Someone else disagreeing with the "PlayStation is getting crushed" narrative that I can't believe even came up here in this thread. Yeah, I'm sure they will feel the crushing when they are selling millions of consoles during the GTA6 launch because it's a console exclusive, and XBS consoles have fallen off a cliff so will be no threat to Sony during GTA6 launch period. 

I'm getting QuickRick flashbacks!

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I wonder what kind of fallacious rethorics we might get when we'll through the Switch successor first years of sales ...



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Sony and Nintendo don't compete since the PS2 days.
Nintendo lost so bad in their game once Sony got in that they got sidelined by the developers that once made them so successful, thus aiming at gimmicks and heavily focusing on their own first party games.

The one that was still trying to compete with Sony was Microsoft, but they also keep losing so badly that they are completely changing as well.
If it wasn't obvious enough, just look at the system sales.

Sega tried to compete with Nintendo, they got moderate success on it, making the SNES sales drop considerably from the NES sales, but still leading the market, while the Mega Drive sales went up a lot from the Master System.

Sony tried to compete with Nintendo, they got massive success on it, the PS1 and PS2 made the Nintendo 64 and the Gamecube sales keep dropping even further, while Playstation were smashing sales records, so Nintendo just stopped trying to compete since the Wii. Which helped them a lot.

Microsoft tried to compete with Sony, they achieved big success during the 360 era, thus halving the sales Sony had from the PS2 to the PS3 era (this was also when Sony started getting a stronger first party success), but then they kept losing and the Xbox sales declined proportionally to how the Playstation sales went back up.

Now look at the Wii U and Switch sales for example, the sales exploded between those and yet it didn't affect Playstation sales in the slightest, PS4 and PS5 have basically the same performance sales wise. Why? Because the Switch did not compete with either. Most people were not making a decision whether to buy a Switch or a PS4/PS5, the sales clearly show that, but the reason was always crystal clear: the games, the games selling on both platforms were not the same. Unlike between Sony and Microsoft.

If the Switch 2 starts getting all the new big game releases that come for the PS5, then they could start having a competition again, and a possible Switch 2 success could tank the PS5 sales. But since 2006, there is simply no competition between both for customer sales, only for ego and between the fanbases.



BraLoD said:

Sony and Nintendo don't compete since the PS2 days.
Nintendo lost so bad in their game once Sony got in that they got sidelined by the developers that once made them so successful, thus aiming at gimmicks and heavily focusing on their own first party games.

The one that was still trying to compete with Sony was Microsoft, but they also keep losing so badly that they are completely changing as well.
If it wasn't obvious enough, just look at the system sales.

Sega tried to compete with Nintendo, they got moderate success on it, making the SNES sales drop considerably from the NES sales, but still leading the market, while the Mega Drive sales went up a lot from the Master System.

Sony tried to compete with Nintendo, they got massive success on it, the PS1 and PS2 made the Nintendo 64 and the Gamecube sales keep dropping even further, while Playstation were smashing sales records, so Nintendo just stopped trying to compete since the Wii. Which helped them a lot.

Microsoft tried to compete with Sony, they achieved big success during the 360 era, thus halving the sales Sony had from the PS2 to the PS3 era (this was also when Sony started getting a stronger first party success), but then they kept losing and the Xbox sales declined proportionally to how the Playstation sales went back up.

Now look at the Wii U and Switch sales for example, the sales exploded between those and yet it didn't affect Playstation sales in the slightest, PS4 and PS5 have basically the same performance sales wise. Why? Because the Switch did not compete with either. Most people were not making a decision whether to buy a Switch or a PS4/PS5, the sales clearly show that, but the reason was always crystal clear: the games, the games selling on both platforms were not the same. Unlike between Sony and Microsoft.

If the Switch 2 starts getting all the new big game releases that come for the PS5, then they could start having a competition again, and a possible Switch 2 success could tank the PS5 sales. But since 2006, there is simply no competition between both for customer sales, only for ego and between the fanbases.

Exactly my point I made before, till 2005 it was all 'Their is a grand canyon gap between the sales of PS2 and others' 'Psp will do the same with DS'

2006 came, PSP did not do that well like hoped and PS3 had a hard time...Nintendo was the one winning and since then the mood changed 'the competion that Nintendo fans think their is just silly'

In regions like Japan it is very clear that PS4/PS5 sales would have been better if their was no switch, early on PS4/Switch had both an healthy amount of titles in the top 30 but now it is basically only Switch titles and third party PS5 titels that do better on swith.