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A203D said:
RolStoppable said:

So to summarize what we've got so far:

1. Republicans and democrats are the same because they can both agree on issues like "terrorism, most notably what happened on 9/11, against the USA is very bad."

2. Trump is the peacebringer to the Middle East, even though it was him who moved the American embassy in Israel which in turn laid the groundwork for the current Israel-Gaza war.

3. Russia is not our enemy, even though seemingly every other month one of their many propaganda operations gets exposed.

4. Scientists as a whole can't be trusted, so whoever repeats what scientists have found out in their research cannot be trusted either.

5. MRNA vaccines were experimental gene therapy, because non-scientists said so.

6. The discussion is supposed to become more disturbing with each post, even though disturbance isn't a synonym for hilarity.

Lets go through your arguments:

"Republicans and democrats are the same because they can both agree on issues like "terrorism, most notably what happened on 9/11, against the USA is very bad"

Your now changing the original statement I made. I haven't said anything about 9/11. We were talking about the illegal invasion of Iraq. Both Democrats and Republicans instigated the invasion of country which had no involvment in 9/11 and never had any weapons of mass destruction. As I mentioned before who do you think benefits most in a war. If you have seen the film Vice then you should know the answer to this. In fact lets take it one step further. What does Iraq have that the United States wants?

"Trump is the peacebringer to the Middle East, even though it was him who moved the American embassy in Israel which in turn laid the groundwork for the current Israel-Gaza war."

Well actually lets get into this argument for a bit. The political dispute between Israel and Palestine started in 1948, long before Donald Trump was the President. In fact the question that any MAGA supporter will ask you is, what does a war in the Middle East have to do with the people of the United States of America?

"Russia is not our enemy, even though seemingly every other month one of their many propaganda operations gets exposed."

Who is telling your Russia is your enemy? The Federal Government? If you want to know more about whats going on between Russia and Ukraine I suggest you watch Tuker Carson's interview with Vladimir Putin.

"MRNA vaccines were experimental gene therapy, because non-scientists said so"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/

Why don't you take a look at the information from the NIH (National Instutite of Heath); the same NIH of which Tony Fauci was the head of. These same 'scientists' you believed seemed to think that mRNA vaccines are experimental gene therapy.

In fact, your 'scientist' Dr Anthony Fauci even says that these vaccines are 'safe and effective':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUohhBRvAsA

He dosen't say anything about the possible side effects, or even the possibility of death from these vaccines. As I said before, what follows will become even more disturbing. If you think this is funny then laugh, but you should know now, I'm not the one laughing. The people laughing are the Democrats and the 'scientists' who misled you into accepting their false science or 'scientisim'. They are laughing all the way to the bank with all the money they have made from the pharmacetual drug companies.

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A203D said:

"MRNA vaccines were experimental gene therapy, because non-scientists said so"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/

Why don't you take a look at the information from the NIH (National Instutite of Heath); the same NIH of which Tony Fauci was the head of. These same 'scientists' you believed seemed to think that mRNA vaccines are experimental gene therapy.

This is no paper by the NIH. You seem to miss basic reading skills, because it says so at the very top in a highlighted box: "As a library, NLM provides access to scientific literature. Inclusion in an NLM database does not imply endorsement of, or agreement with, the contents by NLM or the National Institutes of Health."

The paper is authored by a Helene Banoun. Which is surprising, as it is the only name, usually scientific papers are plastered with a lot of names. But here only one. Helene Banoun is not in the employ of any scientific institution, her status is listed as "Independent Researcher". She was working for a french institute... in the 80s, four decades ago. This paper doesn't hold the authority you seem to imply.



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A203D said:

"Obviously they had ceased manufacturing prior to the invasion and had no stockpiles, but that wasn't discovered until after the fact.
But they definitely still had the precursors to make them."

We are not talking about a minor thing here. The declaration of war was made on the basis of weapons of mass destruction. There were never any weapons. Lets look at the proponents of who instigated this war. The Preisdent at the time was George Bush, he VP was Dick Cheeney father of establisment Republican Liz Cheeney. When Barack Obama took office he continued this alleged war on terror. The VP at the time was Joe Biden with the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wife of former Preisdent Bill Clinton. There are a lot of other players involved but these are the people that everyone has heard of.

This is not Chinese or Russian disinformation. This is the top of both political parties instigating an illegal war on a country and justifying it to the people with no evidence. Thats the reason these people hate Donald Trump. Trump put a stop to the 'forever wars' in the Middle East and he called out the people who made that decision. They don't want someone who stands up to them, because you are the little people who must accept what they say. Trump put you in the room in 2016 and showed you how corrupt these people are.

I never asserted it was a minor thing. - You need to stop creating false conspiracy theories.

The US government made a DECISION on the information they had at the time, sometimes that information is not always sufficient or correct, but the decision still needed to be made.
And not making a decision is making a decision itself.

I often end up being an incident controller for large, complex multi-agency emergency incidents... And often you need to make 'hard choices' based on little information or possible what-if scenarios to keep people safe.
Those decisions are NOT always right, but you still need to make a choice and own it.

And that is precisely what the US government had to do.

I am going to assume you have never been in a similar situation so cannot understand the nuances and pressure that goes with it.

The fact is, the Middle-East was a hostile place.
There was a history of weapons of mass destruction.
Government in the middle east refused to adhere to SIGNED policy and agreements from the United Nations... Which included audits and inspections that the nation signed up for.

Plus... Iraq had already admitted they had chemical weapons which didn't get removed until 2018.
https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/news/2018/03/opcw-director-general-congratulates-iraq-complete-destruction-chemical

Did I support the war? No.
Did I agree with the war? No.

But I understand and respect the choices that had to be made.

A203D said:

The people in China, North Korea and Russia are not my enemies. They are not your enemies. You have been given an imagined threat by your Government to fuel your own prejudice and use your fear against you. Let me ask you, who benefits most from war? Especailly the wars in the Middle East.

No. They are my enemies. I am a believer of protecting life, property and the environment. I am sworn by it.

They aren't democratic.
https://www.politico.eu/article/russian-election-vladimir-putin-fake-legitimacy-moscow-ukraine/

They don't have a high regard for human life.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract
https://www.politico.eu/article/chinas-paranoid-purge-xi-jinping-li-keqiang-qin-gang-li-shangfu/

They engage in subterfuge.
https://lloydslist.com/LL1138411/UN-calls-for-more-robust-monitoring-of-subterfuge-shipping

They assassinate opponents in other nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal

Threats of Nuclear war.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-warns-west-risk-nuclear-war-says-moscow-can-strike-western-targets-2024-02-29/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-kim-jong-un-us-missile-tests-threat-nuclear-war/

China is bullying pacific nations:
https://apnews.com/article/south-china-sea-philippines-shoal-f789f10b3a47ee0d22e8dec59df57eb2

And you want to tell me they aren't hostile? Evidence is right there for you to peruse.

A203D said:

Basic medical science according to who? Tony Fauci? All of this stuff that you say is basic science comes from the same source. You can tell me your Austrialian and that you are not British or American, yet the Austrialian government takes medical directives from the WHO (World Health Organisation) and actually the head of your country is the Governer General who reports to the British monarcy. You may think your country is independent but the Austrailian government is the same as every other government, and actually its the United States Federal Government who are the biggest donors to the WHO, so its the United States who decided what you say is 'basic medial science'.

Again. I'm not American. Fauci has no bearing on anything. Nor do I know the person or care.

So no. That information doesn't come from that single individual alone, it comes from the scientific method and medical science which has been established over centuries.

The Australian Government takes medical directives from multiple sources, not just the world health organization, so stop propagating fake lies.
We for example have the TGA or Therapeutic Goods Administration which is the Governing body that is responsible for evaluating, assessing, monitoring products products like medicines, medical equipment etc'.
Evidence: https://www.tga.gov.au/

We also have built our own plans and responses to medical issues, these aren't "new" and existed long before the Pandemic even began and are tried and tested with their efficacy.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1920/Quick_Guides/AustralianCovid-19ResponseManagement

Australia also influences and contributes to changes in the World Health Organization policy based on science, evidence and more.
https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/strengthening-global-health-and-international-pandemic-response

There is a reason why we have one of the cheapest and best health systems in the world, we use facts and evidence to come to conclusions, not politics or opinions.
https://www.myhealthcareer.com.au/health-industry/australian-universal-health-care-vs-usa-system/
https://grattan.edu.au/news/more-expensive-but-less-effective-the-us-healthcare-system-explained/


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As for the Governor General, you should probably stop talking about that topic before I embarrass you completely, you clearly have zero idea how our Government functions if you believe they are the one running the show.

A203D said:

I'm not saying that though am I. I am asking if you if you were told that infomation prior to being forced to take experimental gene therapy. Did Scott Morrison mislead you accidentally or did he mislead you deliberately?

Theres a lot more I want to talk about regarding whether COVID was a hoax or not, but the deeper we go the more disturbing this will become.

The issue here is you think mRNA vaccines were the only vaccines.
They were not.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/experimental-coronavirus-vaccine-highly-effective
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/different-types-of-covid-19-vaccines/art-20506465

SCOMO is a right-wing conservative, think of him as the Australian version of Donald Trump.
He is:
1) Narcissistic and self-serving. (Going to Hawaii while the nation burned and thousands of us firefighters put our lives on the line.)
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-s-ill-fated-holiday-in-hawaii-burns-him-again-20211122-p59b5h.html

2) History of lies.
https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

3) Mis-managed COVID, failing to provide adequate resourcing and support.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/05/05/scott-morrison-pandemic-badly-handled/

The fact is, COVID is not a a Hoax. COVID was real.
And the fact you have even provided evidence that COVID was real means that your claim that COVID is a hoax is a proven lie.

So I am going to give you a warning to stop making the claim that COVID is a hoax until you can prove otherwise using empirical, verifiable, repeatable, demonstrable evidence.

COVID was real, COVID happened, the fact I had to retrieve dead children was not imaginary and is absolutely disrespectful to all us first responders to claim otherwise... And if you don't support us first responders then you need to get out of our way.



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NGL, I did laugh at the implication of Australia being controlled by the British Monarchy when the British Monarchy barely has any power even in its own damn country, Lmao. Just shows a lack of knowledge not only on Australian politics but also British politics too.

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A203D said:

Well, maybe most people have looked but have you looked into it?

Yes and it's fairly obvious that any "proof" of election fraud is nonsense, as further confirmed by multiple legal experts and investigations into the matter.

A203D said:

Here is the article from CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/john-durham-report-fbi-trump-released/index.html

This is a man (a Republican, Trump elected official) saying the FBI never should have launched a full Trump-Russia probe, what does that have to do with election fraud?

A203D said:

The link you posted to is in in English. This person Prigozhin is Russian, do we have an article in Russian where he admits to anything. Do we have anything to corroborate that he interferred in the 2016 election specifally, or even the methods he used to defraud the election.

What difference does it make? It's a translation of what he said and he was very public about it.

"In comments posted by the press service of his Concord catering firm on Russia's Facebook equivalent VKontakte, Prigozhin said: "We have interfered (in U.S. elections), we are interfering and we will continue to interfere. Carefully, accurately, surgically and in our own way, as we know how to do."

Would you instead like me to dig up his mangled corpse, magically revive him and have him tell you personally? I already gave you a source of his comments. This Prigozhin person ain't just any old Russian, he was known as Putin's "chef" and right hand man for many years running a mercenary company on behalf of Putin. Gee, I wonder who Russia would want to win the election...Maybe the guy who kisses Putin's feet at every given opportunity?

A203D said:

Do you understand the concept of fractional reserve banking? The Democrats and the Republicans are both pollical parties that make promises and policies. Those policies and promises all involve spending taxpayer money. Have a look at the US national debt and then the national debt of other economies. Whatever the Government promises you, it costs money. The Goverment dosen't have any money of its own, it takes money from the people to funds things. Donald Trump exposed them in 2016; thats why both the RINOs and the Democrats and the mainstream media hate him so much.

Most people hate him, not because of whatever this nonsense is but because he's a massive piece of shit but also a very dangerous one whose politics have very much affected peoples lives negatively.

A203D said:

COVID was a hoax.

The hoax that killed millions.

A203D said:

They needed Joe Biden to mandate mandatory vaccinations. Donald Trump was the last line of defence left standing in their way.

Last line of defence for antivaxxers who don't care about putting everyone else's lives in danger? Sure.

A203D said:

Your a gamer, join the dots and see whats right under your nose my friend.

Lmao. I'll tell ya what, if someone was claiming knowledge because they were a "gamer" it would be an instant way for me to think they're not very bright.

A203D said:

Lets get started then. Who decides the enemies of the United States?

In the case of Russia, the country that regularly threatens America and its allies, the country which invaded a country which America had made a promise to protect in exchange for giving up their nuclear weapons.

A203D said:

The premise of these movies is that both the United States and the United Kingdom initiated an illegal war on terror with regards to the invasion of Iraq. Bear in mind that when this happened Joe Biden was also Vice President to Barack Obama who was another proponent of the war on terror.

The point I wish to make is that you have been told about the enemies of the United States. Yet you are told that Iraq is an enemy of the United States, by whom? The same minority of people who have declared an illegal act of war on a country that didn't have and never had weapons of mass destruction.

The war in Iraq started by George Bush (a Republican) and ended by Barack Obama in 2011 (a Democrat).

Joe Biden (a Democrat) also pulled out of Afghanistan during his term.

A203D said:

Now, you have presented me with several issues that I could talk about each one for hours. Yet the first thing I want to address is this subject of a vaccine. This is something relatively easy for me to prove. Please look at the link below:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/Covid-19-vaccines.html

That takes you to the CDC website (Center of Disease Control). If you read the possible side effects of this vaccine it details things like 'myocarditis'. This is now something openlly admitted on the CDC website and other offical websites. You can't believe how intrigued I was when you told me you were Australian. As you are Australian you will obviously know who Scott Morrison is. This insane individual forced through this vaccine mandate and has recently turned around and said that he did not advocate this position offically:

https://rumble.com/v2cw47c-fmr-australian-pm-scott-morrison-jumps-ship-when-asked-about-vaccine-mandat.html

Now, I have another question for you. You were told these vaccines were 'safe and effective'. You are now being told by the offical sources that they 'may' contain potentally life threatening consequences. You were not told that at the time Scott Morrision issued his vaccine mandate. So of course you know what I'm going to ask you.

Were you misled accidentally, or were you misled deliberately?

The others already educated you on how vaccines work, congratulations for learning that.

All vaccines carry risks, it's about weighing those risks versus the risks of the virus, as you can see in your very own link, "myocarditis" is a rare side effect, you want to know something else? Myocarditis is also a possible side effect of most viruses and some drugs. Usually, myocarditis goes away without permanent complications.

Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle. Inflammation is your body’s natural way of fighting things that can harm it. Myocarditis often has no symptoms. Most people recover and never even know they had it. Can it be life threatening? Sure. But your entire argument is about a rare side-effect of a vaccine which could cause an inflammation of the heart muscles which is also rarely life threatening.

A203D said:

Were you misled accidentally, or were you misled deliberately?

I had the vaccines in the UK and not once felt misled or feel misled now.

A203D said:

Thats the reason these people hate Donald Trump. Trump put a stop to the 'forever wars' in the Middle East and he called out the people who made that decision. They don't want someone who stands up to them, because you are the little people who must accept what they say. Trump put you in the room in 2016 and showed you how corrupt these people are.

No. He didn't, Lol. It was Obama who pulled America out of Iraq. It was Biden who pulled America out of Afghanistan.

Trump didn't start any new wars but he did escalate a few of the ones he inherited, he increased troop levels, In 2019, air strikes from the US and its allies in Afghanistan killed 700 civilians, more than in any other year since the beginning of the war in 2001 and 2002. The US dropped more bombs on Afghanistan in 2019 than any other year since the Pentagon began keeping a tally in 2006.

He vetoed a measure to force the end to U.S. Involvement in Yemen War. He vetoed bills intended to block arms sales to Saudi Arabia, he destroyed all progress we were making on Iran with the nuclear deal. He assassinated an Iranian General which could have quickly spiralled out of control. Trump was never anti-war and just as hawkish as other Presidents.

He did abandon USA's allies in the Kurds though so I suppose he is anti-war in the sense that he will throw allies under the bus, like most recently when he said he would not defend a NATO country, America's allies if Russia attacked them and I quote "I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want." Totally anti-war.

A203D said:

Trump put you in the room in 2016 and showed you how corrupt these people are.

And Trump is the most corrupt of them all.

A203D said:

The people in China, North Korea and Russia are not my enemies. They are not your enemies. You have been given an imagined threat by your Government to fuel your own prejudice and use your fear against you. Let me ask you, who benefits most from war? Especailly the wars in the Middle East.

The country that threatens my country constantly, that threatens my allies constantly, that is acting like the modern day Nazi Germany, oh I consider them an enemy of the UK. I consider them an enemy of common human decency. I consider them an enemy of freedom. An enemy of life. Not Russians in general mind but the Russian leadership.

I ain't been given shit, I see Russia's own comments and actions with my own two eyes, nobody has to tell me what to believe. This isn't Russia, I can think for myself, so can Pemalite and anyone with a single shred of morality can see the sickening shit that Russia is doing. Need I remind you that we also promised Ukraine safeguarding in exchange for them surrendering their nuclear weapons to Russia, both the UK and USA were a part of that agreement.

Who benefits most from war? Vladimir Putin. Definitely not Europe or America and if you actually followed the events of this war instead of listening to Russian propaganda you would see the sheer amount of times that the West has tried to deescalate things with Russia, the times they tried to talk Russia down before the war and during the war, the amount of fear the West has about this turning into a NATO war, the amount of restrictions placed on Ukraine because the West is scared of Russia's reaction.

The West has been too weak on Russia contrary to your opinion, we looked the other way at their multiple atrocities, multiple international law violations, in exchange for peace, Ukraine was the final straw that broke the camels back but we're still reluctant to do what is needed because many in the West (including USA) don't want a war with Russia. For fuck sake the USA actively blocks Ukraine from using their weapons on Russian soil and tells Ukraine off for attacking valid military targets inside of Russia with Ukraine's own weapons!

A203D said:

"This is basic medical science."

Basic medical science according to who? Tony Fauci? All of this stuff that you say is basic science comes from the same source. You can tell me your Austrialian and that you are not British or American, yet the Austrialian government takes medical directives from the WHO (World Health Organisation)

Basic medical science according to scientists and not whatever whackos you've been listening to.

A203D said:

Actually the head of your country is the Governer General who reports to the British monarcy. You may think your country is independent but the Austrailian government is the same as every other government, and actually its the United States Federal Government who are the biggest donors to the WHO, so its the United States who decided what you say is 'basic medial science'.

Bro...The British Monarchy barely has any power over governments in the UK, let alone fucking Australia, Lmao. They aren't anything more than a figurehead institution now, don't kid yourself.

Rich country is a big donor, shocking news. Germany overtook America as the biggest donors of WHO in 2020-2021 so were they temporarily in charge of the worlds science? Lmao. It is not whoever is the biggest donor who decides what is basic medical science, it is the scientist. You realise how much the USA donated when they were #1 at one point? $893 million, so you're telling me all it takes for someone to take over every countries scientists is $900m, Lol. Christ dude you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

A203D said:

"And yes, there is a very very very tiny percentage of individuals who will have an adverse reaction, but that goes for anything."

I'm not saying that though am I. I am asking if you if you were told that infomation prior to being forced to take experimental gene therapy. Did Scott Morrison mislead you accidentally or did he mislead you deliberately?

Theres a lot more I want to talk about regarding whether COVID was a hoax or not, but the deeper we go the more disturbing this will become.

Idk about Pem but I was well aware of the risks so I wasn't misled. 

The mRNA from the vaccines does not enter the cell nucleus or interact with the DNA at all, so it does not constitute gene therapy.

A203D said:

The deeper we go the more disturbing this will become.

It looks that way to you because you've plunged yourself into extreme conspiracy theories and far right nonsense.

A203D said:

Well actually lets get into this argument for a bit. The political dispute between Israel and Palestine started in 1948, long before Donald Trump was the President. In fact the question that any MAGA supporter will ask you is, what does a war in the Middle East have to do with the people of the United States of America?

So Biden bad because of a war that started before he was vice-president and despite Obama pulling out of Iraq and Biden pulling out of Afghanistan but Trump good because the Israel-Palestine conflicts started before him? Lol. Bro...Most Republicans support Israel annihilating Palestine, especially MAGA's. Don't even pretend like they don't.

Trump very much escalated things between Israel and Palestine, he was a big supporter of Netanyahu and called himself the most pro-Israel President ever and his "peace" formula largely benefited Israel and drew anger from Palestine. He only turned against Netanyahu (temporarily) when Netanyahu recognised Biden's election win but most recently he has gone fully back onboard with Israel.

Also, this isn't defence of Joe's Israel agenda, I despise Netanyahu and think Joe is supporting him far too much.

A203D said:

Who is telling your Russia is your enemy? The Federal Government? If you want to know more about whats going on between Russia and Ukraine I suggest you watch Tuker Carson's interview with Vladimir Putin.

Russia? Lmfao.

Seriously. You really don't have a clue what you're talking about. You clearly ignored the dozens of times that Russia has threatened us, that Russia has called us their enemies, both from Russian politicians and Russian State Run Media.

You're telling me to listen to the propaganda from the dude who is trying to commit genocide on a country and Tucker Carlson whose own lawyers argued that you can't believe the "facts" that Tucker Carlson tells you. Tucker is not, and has never been, a serious journalist.

A203D said:

In fact, your 'scientist' Dr Anthony Fauci even says that these vaccines are 'safe and effective':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUohhBRvAsA

He dosen't say anything about the possible side effects, or even the possibility of death from these vaccines. As I said before, what follows will become even more disturbing. If you think this is funny then laugh, but you should know now, I'm not the one laughing. The people laughing are the Democrats and the 'scientists' who misled you into accepting their false science or 'scientisim'. They are laughing all the way to the bank with all the money they have made from the pharmacetual drug companies.

Yeah, Dr Fauci is a scientist.

Doctors tell you side-effects, as I already mentioned, here in the UK you literally got a leaflet for each shot listing the possible side effects but I assume you wouldn't know that because I assume you didn't get the vaccine.

Most doctors will say vaccines are safe and effective because overall they are, they aren't going to scream in your face that there's a 0.1% chance of death but they will tell you that like everything, there can be side effects but the vaccines versus the actual viruses are weighed up against each other and overall the vaccine is safe and effective, especially when compared to the virus itself.

You can die from having general anaesthesia, I've had over a dozen surgeries requiring general anaesthesia, I honestly can't remember a doctor ever telling me that I could die from it because the odds are so ridiculously low that it really isn't worth mentioning unless you're more at risk of complications than others.

Usually they will say nothing is risk free but they will be reluctant about scaring the shit out of you because they have to balance things, is this surgery more risky than doing nothing? Is this vaccine more risky than the virus? Are the numbers a large amount or are they extremely rare? And they don't want to scare the patient off

A203D said:

The people laughing are the Democrats and the 'scientists' who misled you into accepting their false science or 'scientisim'.

God I'm loving this, all these Scientists, Medical Professionals, etc. Don't know a thing! A203D on VGChartz knows more than them all and Donald Trump of course. Oh yeah, everyone in the world is corrupt expect from Donald Trump too, Lol.

You'll be saying he's the second coming of Christ soon enough.

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A203D said:

"MRNA vaccines were experimental gene therapy, because non-scientists said so"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/

Why don't you take a look at the information from the NIH (National Instutite of Heath); the same NIH of which Tony Fauci was the head of. These same 'scientists' you believed seemed to think that mRNA vaccines are experimental gene therapy.

This is no paper by the NIH. You seem to miss basic reading skills, because it says so at the very top in a highlighted box: "As a library, NLM provides access to scientific literature. Inclusion in an NLM database does not imply endorsement of, or agreement with, the contents by NLM or the National Institutes of Health."

The paper is authored by a Helene Banoun. Which is surprising, as it is the only name, usually scientific papers are plastered with a lot of names. But here only one. Helene Banoun is not in the employ of any scientific institution, her status is listed as "Independent Researcher". She was working for a french institute... in the 80s, four decades ago. This paper doesn't hold the authority you seem to imply.

This doesn't change your conclusions but I thought it worth mentioning: Most research papers have multiple people as they involved performing experiments and it's tough to do all the experiments for a paper on your own (usually there's at least an advisor and a person that does the experiments). This however appears to be more of a review or an opinion piece which will not contain any new experimental results and I have seen a number of these with a single author on the list.



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It doesn't matter what Fauci said. It doesn't matter what the WHO said. 

Science isn't about the claims of 1 person. You have 50 papers, repeatable studies showing various results of the vaccine/Covid pandemic. 

We can read these results from dozens of different countries about the virus compiled over multiple years, multiple different vaccines created by different people in different countries, verified by competing businesses, competing scientists in competing countries. 

Random people might be taking Fauci, World Health Organization as a source, but these people aren't being taken as gospel. This isn't how any of these things work. 

It's the same thing with the flat Earthism. In order to facilitate something like that, you'd need to have practically millions of people to be in on the hoax and be able to keep it secret. Otherwise literally everyone would know that it is a hoax in no time. 

A lot of these things might seem semi-reasonable at first glance but so many of them fall apart when you start looking at them more critically. 



RolStoppable said:
Ryuu96 said:

I don't know about anyone else (/s) but I for one knew that COVID vaccines carried a very small risk of side effects, surprisingly like every other vaccine in history (!) because I learnt about this basic shit on how vaccines actually work in both high school and college. 🤣 So yes, I took the COVID vaccine knowing full well the risks, they literally give you a booklet before taking the vaccine listing all the risks!

COVID absolutely dominated the news cycle back then, so the topic of a vaccine got a lot of time on air when it was still in development. Scientists had already ruled out complete immunity through vaccination when they had run the first round of tests. Since the population was a lot more at home during COVID, it was really hard to miss information about COVID because the information got repeated ad nauseum on TV. Likewise, information on how vaccines work in general and for COVID specifically were omnipresent too. It was more challenging not to know than to know.

But admittedly, the USA works differently. There's an entire fake news channel (FOX News) dedicated to feeding bullshit to people, like the stolen election of 2020 where the FOX News anchors were ultimately caught texting in private that they know that it's all bullshit, but they'd still repeat all the lies for the money. For us from the outside, FOX News looks kinda like a weird variant of The Daily Show with the difference that one is intended to be serious while the other is satire, yet both are full of laughs.

FOX "News" is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who publishes most of Britain's right-wing red-top tabloids and owns the Australian version of Sky News (he was born in Australia, though he is now a naturalized American citizen.) They also turned the New York Post, one of the oldest and most respected newspapers in the US, into a clone of The Sun. 



A203D said:

Lets go through your arguments:

"Republicans and democrats are the same because they can both agree on issues like "terrorism, most notably what happened on 9/11, against the USA is very bad"

Your now changing the original statement I made. I haven't said anything about 9/11. We were talking about the illegal invasion of Iraq. Both Democrats and Republicans instigated the invasion of country which had no involvment in 9/11 and never had any weapons of mass destruction. As I mentioned before who do you think benefits most in a war. If you have seen the film Vice then you should know the answer to this. In fact lets take it one step further. What does Iraq have that the United States wants?

"Trump is the peacebringer to the Middle East, even though it was him who moved the American embassy in Israel which in turn laid the groundwork for the current Israel-Gaza war."

Well actually lets get into this argument for a bit. The political dispute between Israel and Palestine started in 1948, long before Donald Trump was the President. In fact the question that any MAGA supporter will ask you is, what does a war in the Middle East have to do with the people of the United States of America?

"Russia is not our enemy, even though seemingly every other month one of their many propaganda operations gets exposed."

Who is telling your Russia is your enemy? The Federal Government? If you want to know more about whats going on between Russia and Ukraine I suggest you watch Tuker Carson's interview with Vladimir Putin.

"MRNA vaccines were experimental gene therapy, because non-scientists said so"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10342157/

Why don't you take a look at the information from the NIH (National Instutite of Heath); the same NIH of which Tony Fauci was the head of. These same 'scientists' you believed seemed to think that mRNA vaccines are experimental gene therapy.

In fact, your 'scientist' Dr Anthony Fauci even says that these vaccines are 'safe and effective':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUohhBRvAsA

He dosen't say anything about the possible side effects, or even the possibility of death from these vaccines. As I said before, what follows will become even more disturbing. If you think this is funny then laugh, but you should know now, I'm not the one laughing. The people laughing are the Democrats and the 'scientists' who misled you into accepting their false science or 'scientisim'. They are laughing all the way to the bank with all the money they have made from the pharmacetual drug companies.

There's one thing you have to explain to me. If both the democrats and republicans are about stuffing money into their own pockets, then how can Donald J. Trump be the savior when he collects donations from his supporters for the purpose of paying his legal bills?



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Pemalite said:

At this point one of us is loosing restraint, composure and control. Let us continue with your first point and see which one of us it is:

"The US government made a DECISION on the information they had at the time, sometimes that information is not always sufficient or correct, but the decision still needed to be made."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/iraq-war-wmds-an-intelligence-failure-or-white-house-spin/

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/03/1151160567/colin-powell-iraq-un-weapons-mass-destruction

Please read through those that your lesiure. I can take some direct quotes for you if you like. In a nutshell there was never any real evidence or information that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Like I said before watch a film called Vice to see how they decieved you. Now lets look at the next point you make:

"I often end up being an incident controller for large, complex multi-agency emergency incidents... And often you need to make 'hard choices' based on little information or possible what-if scenarios to keep people safe. Those decisions are NOT always right, but you still need to make a choice and own it."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

The United Nations Security Council did not sanction the invasion of Iraq. The United States and the UK went to war without the consent of the United Nations. That makes their actions illegal. Now let me ask you, in your role as an incident controller would you frabricate evidence to make a decision that your superior officers have declared to be illegal? Bearing in mind you have told me you are sworn to protect life, property and the environment. Is any of that true?

Next point:

"No. They are my enemies. I am a believer of protecting life, property and the environment. I am sworn by it."

Now look back at what I originally said:

"The people in China, North Korea and Russia are not my enemies. They are not your enemies."

You have linked me to a lot of articles to do with the Chinese Communist Party and political entities. I said the people in those countries are not your enemies, I didn't say their governments were not corrupt. The people are innocent, just like the people of Iraq were innocent. Someone in your line of work should appreciate that.

"Again. I'm not American. Fauci has no bearing on anything. Nor do I know the person or care. So no. That information doesn't come from that single individual alone, it comes from the scientific method and medical science which has been established over centuries."

Why don't you have a look at the links you yourself have sent me:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/experimental-coronavirus-vaccine-highly-effective

Your not an American, but your quoting me an American website which quotes Tony Fauci directly, yet you are saying Fauci has no bearing on anything nor do you know the person or care. Yet your link leads to a direct quotation from the man himself saying that these vaccines are 'safe and effective'. Even the date of that article you link to is from 2021. The next link you post is from 2nd November 2023, where your own Government wesbite details the lethal side effects of the vaccine; please do take a look at what you have sent me:

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/covid-19-vaccine-safety-reports/covid-19-vaccine-safety-report-02-11-23

Your telling me that your not American and you don't care... but your own Government body health regulator states that it uses Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZenica and Novavaxx. These are American products. AstraZenica is British but it has been discontinued due to saftey concerns.

Your country Austrialia locked down the same as every other country because your officals were told to because the World Health Organisation declared a 'global pandemic'. You are led to believe that your country is independent and sovereign, but until you understand what fractional reserve banking is, you won't know who controls your country and how they control it.

You accidentally stumbled on something else. Have a look at the link you sent me with the NIH website. Please read this very carefully:

"The FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization(link is external) for Moderna to make the vaccine available for the prevention of COVID-19 in adults on December 18, 2020"

Do you understand what emergency use authorization means?