It comes down to disagreeing with each other but like i said, PS5 customers should already have the benefits over the PS4 owners. Sony should be looking after their PS5 customers by adding these offerings for free. Like i said the DLC is acceptable, paying for more content is nothing new and i can actually justify that, but i am left scratching my head wondering why PS5 owners have to pay extra for exclusive features on there console which they paid a premium price for. 

As i said, games get upgraded all the time for free, adding the latest sound, visuals and optimizations if you own the latest hardware that can utilize the latest features is the expectation we should all be having. Some games even include new DLC for free just to keep their customers happy which is my point here. 

AJ's view is not wrong, he is a huge fan of GOT and its his GOTY last year. However he and many others don't understand the PS5 upgrade charge. Lets be honest here, it would cost Sony peanuts to implement these features into these games and even if that wasn't the case, they are already making a ton of profit because GOT DC is being sold at full price and still charging for the extra DLC so its not like they couldn't add the PS5 features for free, its they don't want to add them for free because they know people will bend over for them and pay up regardless. Its not the $10 which is the issue, its the principle of it. I wouldn't want PC gaming to start charging me extra in games to implement Ray Tracing or using super fast SSDs or adding in 8k textures and 120fps. Its free now and i would much rather it stay that way.

All i am saying is that the PS5 customers should have the automatic luxury of the better experience because they brought the latest hardware. Instead of locking them behind a paywall and claiming more money in the process. PS5 owners should expect it, not pay for it.

You continue to misunderstand whats being said. There is nothing wrong with innovations, nothing wrong with adding them. The issue is paying for something you as a customer (In your case a consumer) already owns the hardware.

The reality is these features they are adding should be for free for PS5 customers, because you know, they own the console. Paying to use them especially on 1st party games is nothing more than "F@#$ you, give me money" approach from a business. One day you will realize this.

Everything mentioned in the PS5 upgrade can easily be free for PS5 owners, because PS5 owners should have the automatic luxury of these benefits because they are the ones that paid premier price to have the best experience. instead they paid top dollars to have the same experience unless they pay up a little fee. You honestly don't see the issue? Do whatever you want, its not my money.

Does 500GB of storage meet the expectations of gamers for a next gen console? How about 1TB? Should it be 2TB? Wasn't 500GB already borderline last gen back in 2013?

Why a next gen console with only 500GB of storage that costs $299 total? Why an optional 1TB SSD storage add on that costs $219? Why not a 500GB SSD add on for say, $150? Why isn't it just a free upgrade? You already have the initial $299 hardware, right?

Could've just thrown 1TB in it from start and been done with it so it was the same as the higher tier $499 model, no? Was this done to keep the price down? Was it done to give options? Was it done to upsell? Should gamers expect free extra's/add ons to what they purchased originally?

*Everyone pays for everything, one way or another.

What are you even talking about?

You know the difference in what the topic is talking about and what you are talking about right?

A $10 paywall is an anti-consumer move. Its not the price of the fee, its the principle of why its their. PS5 customers have to pay more money to access features they own. If you like paying extra for unnecessary reasons than i wont stop you. Its been made pretty clear now.

Lol you're doing everything to stop people from paying for new features :)

You do not own implementation of haptic feedback in last gen games by buying a ps5. That's just silly talk.

Are the additions to Death Stranding enough for the $10 fee? Or do you own those as well by buying a ps5.
Should GoT have sweetened the pot a bit more, since apparently haptic feedback is seen as an too easy implementation or useless to ask money for (although if useless then why want it)

Would it be better if Sony went back to last gens 'system'? No BC, just buy the remaster for full price.

I do see why they're doing it, it comes down to the price increase for ps5 games. Together with offering BC they want to give a reason to get the extra fee for ps5 games. Thus we get extra content with GoT and Death Stranding to justify the fee for upgrading to a full ps5 version. But you can still run it in BC mode as well, loading faster and better frame rate etc.

Of course you don't agree with the new price point (long overdue imo) but that's what it ultimately comes down to. Would we have gotten new features if not for the price hike, probably not. No reason to add stuff to justify the $10 upgrade fee, no reason to implement haptic feedback or any other extras at all.

Sony is working on getting people used to the new price point, like it or not, it's here to stay.

Yeah, there's a reason I stopped replying directly to him. He's like 'oh, you just don't understand the points I'm trying to make', and I'm just over here shaking my head. I understand his points just fine, they're just bad points and it's considered uncouth to just be like 'your points are bad and you should feel bad for making them'. 

Sadly, engaging them just gives them fuel to keep going. I'll just sit over here, rolling my eyes and thinking of a dozen different reasons why his stance is bad, but not bothering to actually interact with him. Because this isn't a debate. This isn't 'here are my points and why I feel this way, now here are my points and why I Feel this way, let's compare and contrast to see who's points are better', it's 'I don't like having to pay 10 dollars more so I'm gonna bend over backwards and twist everything to justify that stance'. And any attempt to argue with him (or anyone else, really) is just pushing them to double down on their stance, not double check their points. 

I know, I'm just killing time while having a cup of coffee :)

What scares me much more is comments like these (on Eurogamer today)

I don't like to be told what to play but GamePass pays me with reward points for completing Quests to play certain games and I'm complying for once.
So I've been playing GTAV, Quantum Break and other GamePass titles. I'm actually having fun and unlocking achievements along the way.
For Honour and Grounded next. Playing for £5 credit is becoming a fun and rewarding experience so I'm happy.

That's some first class manipulation going on. Just play what the boss wants you to play to be able to keep playing. I guess it's the solution to too much choice... MS does way too much of that conditioning through reward points. A loyalty discount is one thing, but conditioning people to do stuff for rewards, that scares me, for the simple reason that it works all too well with games. I'm glad my oldest isn't chasing nonsense anymore for nonsense Fortnite season passes, that crap was pure evil and induced a lot of stress on him. (They all quit Fortnite for Ark and now trying Rust)

Not entirely sure how this is relevant to the conversation at hand, but I do agree. I always found it weird being told what to play. It's one of the reasons I personally don't like GamePass or PSNow. That's a me thing, though. I know it has value to others. 

And going back to Mr. Idontwannapay10bucksfornewfeaturesonanextgenupgrade, the fact that he doesn't want to pay the 10 is fine. To be clear. Nobody's obligated to pay that 10 bucks. Vote with your wallet and all that. I'd rather spend the money and encourage more devs to give us these incremental upgrades rather than discourage them from trying or just making us pay from the ground up (like, to get GoT director's cut, just buy the new version. That used to be how it was instead of upgrading your existing one). Paying 10 for the upgrade is a nice middle ground between the two extremes. Free upgrades are nice for the consumer but can't be all that sustainable for the devs and doesn't give them much incentive to go above and beyond. Having to re-buy from scratch is great for devs but terrible for consumers. Paying a nominal fee for the upgrade just makes the most sense in terms of balance. 

And since the PS5 is backwards compatible, like you and many others have said, with GoT in particular already getting a bunch of sweet upgrades and performance boosters free of charge, if he doesn't want the Ps5 version, just don't buy it. If the general consensus is that people don't wanna pay for the upgrades, then that's how the market will change. that's the crux of 'the customer is always right'. It doesn't mean every customer is right about whatever nonsense they feel entitled to, it means that it's the job of the providers to cater to the audience and the market. If we collectively reject $10 upgrades or the $70 price point on PS5 games, then the market will adjust. As it stands, I get the distinct impression that the market accepts the upgrade. Entitled gamers (The loud ones we deal with on this forum) are all having a meltdown, but the general market is fine with it. 

Like The Last of Us part II, the only reason people think it did poorly is because a certain, very loud subset of people were very vocal about it. IT actually got amazing reviews and sold very well. IT's like Captain Marvel and The Witcher and every other nonsense fake outrage BS. IT's a small, tiny group of bitchy people whining until they get their way by pretending shit matters more than it does. 

In reality, I just wanna let him (And the others in this thread who agree with that stance) have his tantrum before he takes a breath and realizes it's not that big of a deal. 

I just wanna make it clear that there's absolutely nothing unethical, unprecedented, or unreasonable about companies charging 10 bucks for their more improved versions of the games they make. If that's just better graphics and performance, then so be it. If that's haptic feedback and adaptive triggers, then so be it. If that's just a 5 on the logo, then that's their decision. It's simply up to you and I and everyone else to vote with your wallet. Nobody's entitled to shit, if you don't like the business practices or the charge, you are not obligated to pay for it. Games are a luxury. Either pay what they ask or don't. but don't rant and whine because the dev/publisher values their work more than you do. 

Example: I personally think iPhones are an absolutely terrible value for what they offer. I think you pay like 50% more just for that logo. Instead of whining to apple and complaining they price their phones too high, I simply move on, buy something else, and accept that for the millions and millions of people worldwide, their prices are fair and reasonable. The free market can certainly be shifty and harmful, but when it comes to luxury items, it's never unfair. 

BC is awesome and Sony should continue with it as BC is now a standard in the industry. It should never disappear.

Wait so you understand why they are charging more for PS5 games but did you forget that GOT is a PS4 game? Or did you forget that part? If they are increasing prices for PS5 games than why are PS4 games being charged for full price and a little extra for PS5 features?

At the end of the day, if you and Runa216 like being bent over by a company who not only is making millions in this industry and doing very well, but also trying to milk you a little bit further and give you excuses like adding Lip Syncing to sweeten the deal than iv done my part in warning you. I hope this practice doesn't spread like a disease across the industry. 

Nobody's getting bent over anything, dude. As time goes on, things get more expensive. It's not our fault that you don't understand how the economy works, or more specifically the core concept of inflation. 

The Ps4 game isn't having a $10 increase, but swapping to the Ps5 version does. Considering PS exclusives on PS5 all have an increase in price...that's reasonable. Just pay the difference and BAM, you get a whole new version of a game instead of having to re-buy it from scratch. The precedent is there, historically it makes sense, nothing about this is greedy. why are you bending over backwards to convince yourself and others that this is in any way bad? 

Oh, right. I see what forum most of your posts are in. This isn't about logic, it's about [redacted].

Another one using high priced PS5 games as the excuse for the added paywall, and they forget the game they are referring to is a PS4 game.

Okay dude, go spend that extra $10 for free accessories and support the idea.