Many got insured with underwhelming insurance options because it was either dirt cheap FOR SOME and for a period required. It wasn't always considered great insurance by the way. There was actually a massive penalty/tax for not getting healthcare, but that was removed during the Trump administration and that is something people on both sides were happy with.

But again, a big problem was it raised the costs of premiums and that's partly because people had to cover for this getting it for free or for those who qualified for a big subsidy.

Two things can be true at the same. You can say Obama care was great because it got more people covered. But at the same time it also fucked a lot or normal working people not necessarily making much. I was affected first hand and cancelled my insurance at the time because of it.

Have you ever asked yourself why in other countries of the world government programs can do very well but not in the US? I very much doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't have come your conclusions.

1. In most of the western world, government employees get well paid. That's not the case in the US, which causes a brain drain. Increasing their wages would do a lot to reverse that trend already.

2. Congress has handed private companies everything they need to gut government institutions on a silver platter, especially Republicans. Like removing the government's ability to negotiate the prices of medicines in the US when the entire rest of the world relies on this to reduce the prices, for instance. This is due to massive lobbying from the companies to make profits without needing to take any responsibilities for their shortcomings.

3. Ever wondered why all the things the US does with private companies what the rest of the world does with government companies or agencies, like healthcare, education or prisons, are significantly higher in cost in the US? Bet you didn't. The reason why is because US companies spend considerable amount on a totally bloated administration (if I can find the page again, I'll link it, but someone checked the expenses of the biggest universities compared to 30 years ago and administration costs have about quintupled all while all the other stagnated or even dropped in case of teachers expensives) and have to make money for their shareholders, meaning they need to raise considerably more money than the government to get to the same goal, hence making them more expensive.

You are aware that the Trump administration did this so insurance companies could throw people out of their insurance plans with impunity and as a stepping stone to repeal medicare and replacing it with nothing? The result was that many persons, specially poor people, had much more problems to get any insurance anymore.

As explained above, the raising cost of premiums is just due to bloated administration. If the private insurance system would actually work, their prices would be way, way lower.

Also, consider this: If your utopia of private healthcare would beat public healthcare in every which way, then how come that medicare is even a thing? If everything would be so as you're describing it to be with a private system, then the prices would be lower than in Europe, everybody would be very well insured, and medicare would have been put out of office as it couldn't compete with private companies and went poof somewhere along the way. But in reality, none of those are even remotely true or happening in any shape or form, and have no chance of doing so ever.

Private? Do you seriously think it was the private sector that developed it? US tax funded the research and scientists made the breakthrough. All the private sector did was reap the rewards. Public funding also developed the tech needed to make the vaccines aka mRNA tech. Almost every major medical technique and medicine itself was developed using public funding. Sorry but the public sector made the tech, not the private sector. You can hire the scientists directly, remove the big pharma and get the same effects except there no patents and the drugs are cheaper. 

Plus you do know Medicare and Medicaid are run by the government and go ask the people using it how they like it.  

They don't "thrive" on Capitalism, they are shackled by it and the more they shed Capitalist practices, the better they become. As I said and you didn't answer, name one Capitalist thing that makes any country great? And European countries are social democracies, not Capitalist nations like US. Social democracy means they are a hybrid of capitalist and socialist ideas. They aren't purely Capitalist nor can their successes be attributed to Capitalism because everything that has made them better are things Capitalists tend to either oppose or be indifferent towards. If every workplace in Europe was democratized to be worker co-ops, I think Europe would be even better and reach heights never before seen in humanity.

Also please do explain your definition of libertarianism and of anarchism, because you keep bringing it up. Also I don't think you understand anarchism either.  I can understand things aren't as clear cut and can have different iterations so let's hear what you think of when you think libertarianism and anarchism.

I've presented evidence that health care costs did not skyrocket after Obamacare. You have presented no evidence in your rebuttal. 

Unless you present evidence, I see no reason to continue this conversation. 

Yeah that is more right wing propaganda you spew there.  Of course you gonna eat that up since you like the guy that lied more then any other president did while in office.

Again, Australia has a hybrid system, the private sector receives a ton of resources and support from the Government...
The reason why we opted for a Hybrid system over a fully private or public system is very simple. Competition.

The Private sector has to compete with the public sector... And the public sector has very little overheads... Think about that for a moment.

Back in 1917, despite only having a population of about 5~ million we heavily assisted the British in designing and manufacturing the Smallpox vaccine.

Fast forward to 1984 with a population of about 15~ million, that is when we introduced our hybrid healthcare system to great success... Since then we have invented/introduced things like: RNA Gene Silencing (Which is necessary for modern RNA vaccines.), Anti-Flu medication in 1996, Cervical Cancer Vaccine in 2006, modular hearings aids...
So despite the "Government controls" and our population being relatively tiny verses the United States, we still punch above our own weight, we still get shit done and we don't whinge about it.

I try not to spend too much time talking politics because its ultimately pointless. How often does our mind change when we have different ideals or expectations? I will make this my final response.

Absolutely, I credit the private sector. Why were resources thrown to them? Because they actually get shit done and I'm sure they will continue to benefit when profit is a motive. People say healthcare shouldn't be for a profit, but the companies that created vaccines did it for a profit. Hence, if spending money alone created innovation government wouldn't have gone to the private sector.

With that said, that's how more things should be done. Don't let the government run much of anything, at least not our incompetent government. Instead throw money at the private sector and government should function as some sort of referee only. When our government has full control of something, you often get a mess. From my understanding, good European countries actually does more of that than us. But I am sure it varies by country.

Medicare is a ponzi scheme. People using it generally get much more out of it than they ever put in. Why? A big reason is people are living much longer. So yeah, people love getting more out of something than they put in. A big flaw of Americans is they love free stuff but hate taxes. Which is why our leaders mislead us into thinking only the rich will pay for it. Meanwhile cost of living is going up but don't confuse that with a tax.

Anyway, its been fun guys. I hope our debate solved some world problems.

Government pays private institutes instead of doing it themselves is not because "they get shit done," it's because the private sector pays off politicians and law makers. They can get shit done and they have gotten shit done around the world.  Sorry but profit isn't a good motive to make innovations, that's just a lie Capitalists tell. Profit is a motive to create roadblocks for more money and to find duplicitous ways to spend less and get more. This bolded one is just ridiculous. Sorry but the same scientists with the same funding will get the same results, if not better.

The public and scientists made the medicine, the vultures in the private sector just got away with the profits.