Non-Americans Stunned By American Health Care Costs

[Eagle367]

Mr Puggsly said:

Eagle367 said:

Sorry but the thing about Cuba just exposes your bias and you will come up with anything to support your conclusion. Also what makes the countries great are things that are either socialized like healthcare or at the very least, don't focus on profit of wealthy people as a primary focus. You can take any example and we what makes countries great and I can guarantee you, those things have nothing to do with Capitalism nor the profit motive. And before you say anything, markets are not exclusive to Capitalism and "free markets" don't exist nor can they exist. There is always regulation and it just depends on who is regulated and how. Capitalism is the employer/employee system of the current world and those things don't make countries great. 

What does is universal healthcare, good public education, worker's rights, economic rights, etc. I don't see any Capitalist practice that makes a country great in the modern world. I'll wait for your example. The most Capitalist country is the US and it isn't great but any standard and it sorta actually sucks. Am underdeveloped country with a Gucci bag. Life for the wealthy is great in the US but not for most people. But do you even get what libertarianism is? libertarians are against taxation for example. They don't like "big" government whatever that is either. They are not fans of social programs. You might want to rethink whether you are a libertarian at all actually. 

Yeah, I think Cuba is full of shit. You knew I had this "bias." I couldn't have made it more clear.

A country doesn't have to be socialist to offer the services you desire. The notable countries in Europe are not socialist, they thrive on capitalism.

Libertarian thinking is not as cut and dry as you assume. Since you only see it from the outside your ideas about it are completely wrong. Its not anarchy nor does it oppose paying taxes in general. Only people with left leaning ideals spew that crap.

They don't "thrive" on Capitalism, they are shackled by it and the more they shed Capitalist practices, the better they become. As I said and you didn't answer, name one Capitalist thing that makes any country great? And European countries are social democracies, not Capitalist nations like US. Social democracy means they are a hybrid of capitalist and socialist ideas. They aren't purely Capitalist nor can their successes be attributed to Capitalism because everything that has made them better are things Capitalists tend to either oppose or be indifferent towards. If every workplace in Europe was democratized to be worker co-ops, I think Europe would be even better and reach heights never before seen in humanity.

Also please do explain your definition of libertarianism and of anarchism, because you keep bringing it up. Also I don't think you understand anarchism either.  I can understand things aren't as clear cut and can have different iterations so let's hear what you think of when you think libertarianism and anarchism.