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sales2099 said:
Hynad said:

Probably on youtube. Otherwise, I can’t say I’ve encountered much people whining about it.

Personally doesn’t affect me. I’ll play it on the XBox Series X, when its comes out a few years from now.

You have to know what to look for. Proud PS fans aren’t gonna “cry” openly on social media. We may be anonymous but people won’t openly show their salty feelings when people can easily screen cap and save their tweets for later use. 

First couple days when it was all fresh you had people loose their inhibitions on Twitter. Many of the usual haters were silent, which spoke volumes.

Saying “MS is monopolizing the industry” or the more predominant “MS needs PS to make back the money” essentially means I don’t like that I’m forced to buy a Xbox as someone who loves Bethesda games. Expressing false concern is the modern way of expressing disappointment while keeping your emotions in tact. 

I didn’t really like the move at first either. Although I never felt as strongly about the move as those you mentioned. But I was always going to get the XSX so I softened quickly to the new state of the studios transition to the MS family.

That being said, MS hasn’t done much for my taste with their acquisitions, during the current gen. I haven’t played Rare’s games for example, because frankly, they haven’t appealed to me in over a decade. So I was worried at first, keeping this in mind, and then thinking the same kind of fate would apply to Bethesda. But as far as I know, it will be the same key people that have been at the helm of these studios prior to the acquisition that will continue producing those games under the MS umbrella. 

So, again, I am now not bothered by the acquisition. I was already getting a XSX anyway, and those added exclusives are even more good reasons for it.




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Hynad said:
DirtyP2002 said:

Actually yes, that is the case.

Probably on youtube. Otherwise, I can’t say I’ve encountered much people whining about it.

Personally doesn’t affect me. I’ll play it on the XBox Series X, when its comes out a few years from now.

I've seen it all over the place.  Youtube, Twitter, N4g, resetera, facebook, here, etc. Yes, there's not as much whining like it was 3 weeks ago, but anytime I see it brought up, there is always a person(s) whining/denying. After this article came out yesterday, I saw another increase of this behavior. 

Granted, most have come to realization of this outcome and more will as time goes on. 



smroadkill15 said:
Hynad said:

Probably on youtube. Otherwise, I can’t say I’ve encountered much people whining about it.

Personally doesn’t affect me. I’ll play it on the XBox Series X, when its comes out a few years from now.

I've seen it all over the place.  Youtube, Twitter, N4g, resetera, facebook, here, etc. Yes, there's not as much whining like it was 3 weeks ago, but anytime I see it brought up, there is always a person(s) whining/denying. After this article came out yesterday, I saw another increase of this behavior. 

Granted, most have come to realization of this outcome and more will as time goes on. 

PS fans get many [console] exclusives or timed exclusives from the likes of Square Enix (like FFVIIR, FFXIV and FFXVI) and other (mostly Japanese) third parties, so while it doesn’t exactly even things out, it at least balances part of the frustration felt on the other side. xD




Hynad said:
smroadkill15 said:

I've seen it all over the place.  Youtube, Twitter, N4g, resetera, facebook, here, etc. Yes, there's not as much whining like it was 3 weeks ago, but anytime I see it brought up, there is always a person(s) whining/denying. After this article came out yesterday, I saw another increase of this behavior. 

Granted, most have come to realization of this outcome and more will as time goes on. 

PS fans get many [console] exclusives or timed exclusives from the likes of Square Enix (like FFVIIR, FFXIV and FFXVI) and other (mostly Japanese) third parties, so while it doesn’t exactly evens things out, it at least balances part of the frustration. xD

Oh definitely. There is still a lot to look forward to on the Ps5. Most PS fans are okay and will get over it. 



sales2099 said:
JRPGfan said:

“Is it possible to recoup a $7.5 billion investment if you don’t sell Elder Scrolls VI on the PlayStation?” I asked.
“Yes,” Spencer quickly replied.


Its gonna take awhile to recoupe those 7,5$ bn USD, if your cutting out part of sales potential.

Well it’s popular belief that every PS gamer has a cutting edge gaming PC. Therefore no biggie. 

When was the last time you needed a cutting edge gaming PC to be a PC gamer? Budget decent PCs and laptops are widely available, this is not the early 2000s anymore. Chances are, if you're in a market for a decent PC, which most people in the first world are, then you're in the market for gaming PC by extension. 

@JRPGfan, lol, this is MS, this is big tech. They operate on an entirely different scale than minions like SONY or Nintendo.

No one at at MS gives two shits if they ever recoup those 7.5 billions. Growth is the name of the game, for investors and MS alike; faster growth creates more value for most companies than slightly improved profits. The amount of cringy posts about MS "needing" to sell their games on Playstation to make the money back is outstanding. 

I am sure someone at Amazon/Google got fired for not thinking of buying Bethesda before MS did. This is not about slightly increasing the next few quarters profits, this is about securing the future platform of gaming, the platform that SONY recognized earlier than anyone else and then acknowledged by buying Gaikai and OnLive... before going to sleep and dreaming of VR as the future of gaming? the actual fuck. 



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LurkerJ said:
sales2099 said:

Well it’s popular belief that every PS gamer has a cutting edge gaming PC. Therefore no biggie. 

When was the last time you needed a cutting edge gaming PC to be a PC gamer? Budget decent PCs and laptops are widely available, this is not the early 2000s anymore. Chances are, if you're in a market for a decent PC, which most people in the first world are, then you're in the market for gaming PC by extension. 

@JRPGfan, lol, this is MS, this is big tech. They operate on an entirely different scale than minions like SONY or Nintendo.

No one at at MS gives two shits if they ever recoup those 7.5 billions. Growth is the name of the game, for investors and MS alike; faster growth creates more value for most companies than slightly improved profits. The amount of cringy posts about MS "needing" to sell their games on Playstation to make the money back is outstanding. 

I am sure someone at Amazon/Google got fired for not thinking of buying Bethesda before MS did. This is not about slightly increasing the next few quarters profits, this is about securing the future platform of gaming, the platform that SONY recognized earlier than anyone else and then acknowledged by buying Gaikai and OnLive... before going to sleep and dreaming of VR as the future of gaming? the actual fuck. 

So you validate the stereotype that PS fans can always go to their PC to play Xbox games. But my point was just poking fun at the many people who still want Bethesda games to go to PS5. This shouldn’t be a issue right? Point being PC gaming isn’t universally adopted. 

Edit: Many laptops and PCs you buy at a store probably won’t be built to run many modern PC games at decent settings. At least $1000 or less will not guarantee anything.

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DroidKnight said:

“I don’t want to be flip about that,” he added. “This deal was not done to take games away from another player base like that. Nowhere in the documentation that we put together was: ‘How do we keep other players from playing these games?’ We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games."

He won't be taking any games away from players. The Sony player base will just play those games on their gaming PC's. Adding 120 million Sony player base now to the Xbox ecosystem should be very profitable for them. They will recoup that 7.5 billion very quickly.

Well that's going with assumption a significant number of PS users also have a capable gaming PC.

However, MS could argue cloud gaming is a totally viable option that most gamers have access to. Hopefully by the time any major Bethesda games release we also have xCloud on more devices.



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Signalstar said:
I think people are deluding themselves. Microsoft did not spend $7.5 billion just so they could publish Bethesda games on PlayStation. I expect any game Sony did not make a timed exclusive arrangement with Bethesda for will not appear on PS. It's a major investment in their first party developing and publishing capabilities.

I am skeptical about MS excluding Playstation for a few reasons.

First, there is so much money being left on the table by skipping Playstation when they already have many studios working on exclusives. Second, they already get benefits by owning Zenimax such as launching $60-70 games on Gamepass, exclusive marketing, bundles and perhaps even timed exclusivity or content. Last, Zenimax will still be its own publisher it seems.

If MS had less studios and less big projects in development, keeping Zenimax content exclusive might feel more necessary. In general it would also encourage more people to use MS platforms. But I think MS will play it safe and get the Playstation money as well while also using the benefits of owning the IPs.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Signalstar said:
I think people are deluding themselves. Microsoft did not spend $7.5 billion just so they could publish Bethesda games on PlayStation. I expect any game Sony did not make a timed exclusive arrangement with Bethesda for will not appear on PS. It's a major investment in their first party developing and publishing capabilities.

I am skeptical about MS excluding Playstation for a few reasons.

First, there is so much money being left on the table by skipping Playstation when they already have many studios working on exclusives. Second, they already get benefits by owning Zenimax such as launching $60-70 games on Gamepass, exclusive marketing, bundles and perhaps even timed exclusivity or content. Last, Zenimax will still be its own publisher it seems.

If MS had less studios and less big projects in development, keeping Zenimax content exclusive might feel more necessary. In general it would also encourage more people to use MS platforms. But I think MS will play it safe and get the Playstation money as well while also using the benefits of owning the IPs.

Huh, I’m surprised at your caution. But in response the whole idea of exclusives has always been about leaving money on the table. Technically Sony or Nintendo locking their games to their platforms is leaving money on the table. 

Keeping future big hitters on PS5 won’t create the Game Pass numbers spike MS wants if PS gamers know they can simply “wait them out” if it’s say timed exclusive.

Guess we’ll see, I’m guessing Phil being vague for 2 reasons: The acquisition won’t be official till next year and therefore ply it safe till then. And all the vague statements makes for so much Xbox free press. All this free advertising we gamers are doing word of mouth is insane PR boost for Xbox that official marketing just can’t do. 



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sales2099 said:
LurkerJ said:

When was the last time you needed a cutting edge gaming PC to be a PC gamer? Budget decent PCs and laptops are widely available, this is not the early 2000s anymore. Chances are, if you're in a market for a decent PC, which most people in the first world are, then you're in the market for gaming PC by extension. 

@JRPGfan, lol, this is MS, this is big tech. They operate on an entirely different scale than minions like SONY or Nintendo.

No one at at MS gives two shits if they ever recoup those 7.5 billions. Growth is the name of the game, for investors and MS alike; faster growth creates more value for most companies than slightly improved profits. The amount of cringy posts about MS "needing" to sell their games on Playstation to make the money back is outstanding. 

I am sure someone at Amazon/Google got fired for not thinking of buying Bethesda before MS did. This is not about slightly increasing the next few quarters profits, this is about securing the future platform of gaming, the platform that SONY recognized earlier than anyone else and then acknowledged by buying Gaikai and OnLive... before going to sleep and dreaming of VR as the future of gaming? the actual fuck. 

So you validate the stereotype that PS fans can always go to their PC to play Xbox games. But my point was just poking fun at the many people who still want Bethesda games to go to PS5. This shouldn’t be a issue right? Point being PC gaming isn’t universally adopted. 

Edit: Many laptops and PCs you buy at a store probably won’t be built to run many modern PC games at decent settings. At least $1000 or less will not guarantee anything.

You can get a decent gaming rig for under $800 tbh. Not everything needs to "4K at 120fps ultra nightmare!!!" and running with so much RGB the entirety of your home at night looks like a disco. You aren't Linus/Austin/Justine/Marques/whatever. 

Of course, all PS gamers will buy a really cool and awesome overkill PC with Ballistix RAM and an Optane or Aorus SSD that can put even their beloved console out of action! They are personally certified by LMG as "overkill machines" complete with VR support and $4000 240hz OLED displays rendering at 16K! 

...or so the legend goes... 



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