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chakkra said:
DonFerrari said:
"We won't remove from others", do that by removing from one of the platforms it was releasing so far. I dunno why people defend Spencer two pronged tongue so much.

Well, the guy is about to give me plenty more new games to play for $10 a month. The real question would be why shouldn't I "defend" him?

Defending his decision to buy the studio and even make it exclusive is plenty fine. To defend his fake speaches is something else.

AsGryffynn said:
DonFerrari said:
"We won't remove from others", do that by removing from one of the platforms it was releasing so far. I dunno why people defend Spencer two pronged tongue so much.

xCloud app for PS5 is all it takes. Hell, it would only take a decent browser and you could just link to xCloud via the web browser in your PS5! 

Sure, still that doesn't make his statement true.

sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:
"We won't remove from others", do that by removing from one of the platforms it was releasing so far. I dunno why people defend Spencer two pronged tongue so much.

Hey, can’t have bad press. They technically aren’t removing by honouring Deathloop and Ghostwire. Probably Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76 should they get next gen versions. 

I like his deliciously vague comments. Keep people guessing, keep the free Xbox word of mouth going.  Makes Xbox look benevolent instead of evil corporation. 

They have signed deal, would be complicated to just default the deal of the company they are purchasing. Usually the contracts forbid this type of thing.

LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

No, it is more like you being protective of whatever Phill Spencer said. He could very well say he is launching on supported Xbox platforms, but then he wanted to add the good guy touch and be the fake he likes.

The purchase isn’t even finalized yet. It’s almost as if these games are years off or something. It always baffles me how some of the PS crowd here and you especially, cling to every word Papa Phil says and you like, make records of this shit to whip out a year from now to point out how he’s a bold faced liar for not doing exactly what he’d said.... even though every time, “exactly what he’d said” is actually your biased view of what he said or sometimes not even what he said but what you think he meant, LOL.

In this interview he said the deal wasn’t done to take games away from other people. That doesn’t mean in any way that games won’t be taken from other people, it means that wasn’t the point of the deal. It seems rather simple, but I can understand and excuse your fog of console warz getting it mixed up.

Won't even take the energy to reply to you.



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sales2099 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I am skeptical about MS excluding Playstation for a few reasons.

First, there is so much money being left on the table by skipping Playstation when they already have many studios working on exclusives. Second, they already get benefits by owning Zenimax such as launching $60-70 games on Gamepass, exclusive marketing, bundles and perhaps even timed exclusivity or content. Last, Zenimax will still be its own publisher it seems.

If MS had less studios and less big projects in development, keeping Zenimax content exclusive might feel more necessary. In general it would also encourage more people to use MS platforms. But I think MS will play it safe and get the Playstation money as well while also using the benefits of owning the IPs.

Huh, I’m surprised at your caution. But in response the whole idea of exclusives has always been about leaving money on the table. Technically Sony or Nintendo locking their games to their platforms is leaving money on the table. 

Keeping future big hitters on PS5 won’t create the Game Pass numbers spike MS wants if PS gamers know they can simply “wait them out” if it’s say timed exclusive.

Guess we’ll see, I’m guessing Phil being vague for 2 reasons: The acquisition won’t be official till next year and therefore ply it safe till then. And all the vague statements makes for so much Xbox free press. All this free advertising we gamers are doing word of mouth is insane PR boost for Xbox that official marketing just can’t do. 

I think my post already has answers to what you've said. Zenimax is being treated as it own publisher, MS is giving the impression its basically separate company. Their IPs also have a history and success on Playstation. So much like Minecraft, I don't anticipate exclusivity for everything.

I said it would be best for MS platforms if the content was exclusive. But I also believe MS could opt for Playstation revenue instead. Those same Zenimax IPs will still cause a spike for Gamepass even if they are multiplat. And so will other exclusives like Halo, Fable and the many other upcoming titles.

Like I said, the marketing will push all Zenimax games for Xbox. Elder Scroll VI ads will say Xbox and Gamepass. It will give a spike in Gamepass subscriptions because its instant access at a low price. There are still benefits for MS even with those titles being multiplat.



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DonFerrari said:
chakkra said:

Well, the guy is about to give me plenty more new games to play for $10 a month. The real question would be why shouldn't I "defend" him?

Defending his decision to buy the studio and even make it exclusive is plenty fine. To defend his fake speaches is something else.

But I don't understand why his speech bothers you this much; I mean, these companies give us half-truths, PR statements, and outright lies all the time, all of them. Nintendo once said that Switch was not meant to replace the Wii U and 3DS, but instead coexist with them (I have no idea why they felt the need to say that, but they did). Ryan recently said that all PS5 games were going to be exclusives bcuz they believed in generations and all that jazz. And now you have MS with the "When everybody plays, we all win" PR bs.

It's the nature of business. We all should've been used to it by now; you just have to learn to read between the lines.



Phil is changing what Sony fans didn’t like about Microsoft. Now they are hating him.
Seems illogical? It is.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

JRPGfan said:

“Is it possible to recoup a $7.5 billion investment if you don’t sell Elder Scrolls VI on the PlayStation?” I asked.
“Yes,” Spencer quickly replied.


Its gonna take awhile to recoupe those 7,5$ bn USD, if your cutting out part of sales potential.

With the right amount of GamePass members, GP could make Billions per year, they already have 15m paid users per month. If they get 30m to 50m paid GP members than the money will just continue to roll in.



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chakkra said:
DonFerrari said:

Defending his decision to buy the studio and even make it exclusive is plenty fine. To defend his fake speaches is something else.

But I don't understand why his speech bothers you this much; I mean, these companies give us half-truths, PR statements, and outright lies all the time, all of them. Nintendo once said that Switch was not meant to replace the Wii U and 3DS, but instead coexist with them (I have no idea why they felt the need to say that, but they did). Ryan recently said that all PS5 games were going to be exclusives bcuz they believed in generations and all that jazz. And now you have MS with the "When everybody plays, we all win" PR bs.

It's the nature of business. We all should've been used to it by now; you just have to learn to read between the lines.

It is more on the consistence of Phil Spencer statements that are half truths, empty responses always trying to pose as the nice guy that get applauded instead of scrutinized. He does it all the time.

I remember Ryan saying they believed in generations and that PS5 games would harness the power of the console, but don't remember he saying any timeframe that all games released would be exclusives, perhaps that was just interpretation on his not defining (and it was heavily criticized when some of the PS5 games were informed to be PS4 releases as well, with Horizon being the most criticized one).

Like you are accepting Phil was being vague and not really truthful (as is common with PR), but if you see some of the other replies I got, they were basically defending Phil as he is always telling the truth.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

How i have read this thread seeing as Phils balls aren't dipped in playstationhoney his vagueness isn't allowed...
meanwhile Sony is doing a Rockstar and that is A-OKEY



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besides the games aren't exclusives REMEMBER? LMAO



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DonFerrari said:
chakkra said:

Well, the guy is about to give me plenty more new games to play for $10 a month. The real question would be why shouldn't I "defend" him?

Defending his decision to buy the studio and even make it exclusive is plenty fine. To defend his fake speaches is something else.

AsGryffynn said:

xCloud app for PS5 is all it takes. Hell, it would only take a decent browser and you could just link to xCloud via the web browser in your PS5! 

Sure, still that doesn't make his statement true.

sales2099 said:

Hey, can’t have bad press. They technically aren’t removing by honouring Deathloop and Ghostwire. Probably Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76 should they get next gen versions. 

I like his deliciously vague comments. Keep people guessing, keep the free Xbox word of mouth going.  Makes Xbox look benevolent instead of evil corporation. 

They have signed deal, would be complicated to just default the deal of the company they are purchasing. Usually the contracts forbid this type of thing.

LudicrousSpeed said:

The purchase isn’t even finalized yet. It’s almost as if these games are years off or something. It always baffles me how some of the PS crowd here and you especially, cling to every word Papa Phil says and you like, make records of this shit to whip out a year from now to point out how he’s a bold faced liar for not doing exactly what he’d said.... even though every time, “exactly what he’d said” is actually your biased view of what he said or sometimes not even what he said but what you think he meant, LOL.

In this interview he said the deal wasn’t done to take games away from other people. That doesn’t mean in any way that games won’t be taken from other people, it means that wasn’t the point of the deal. It seems rather simple, but I can understand and excuse your fog of console warz getting it mixed up.

Won't even take the energy to reply to you.

Be aware that there is a very clear line between "support" and "native support" and supporting Xbox games on other platforms doesn't mean they need to let the platform owner decide or get any benefits from it. 

It still can be on your system, if the system owner does as Microsoft says. That definitely counts. It's essentially MS version of Epic's "no App Store Fortnite for you!" for those who are interested. There will be MS support for other platforms, but MS is going to be raking in all the money from that alongside devs. No middlemen accepted. 



vivster said:

I feel bad for anyone who buys the Series S expecting next gen gaming.

Just like anyone that bought a Switch should expect any good games? How could a console with such limited hardware ever have anything worth playing?

The amount of power needed to reach 4k/60fps means that Xbox Series S won't hold back Next-gen games at 1080P. All of the recent port to Switch should be an example of the scalability of games. Besides, The Xbox Series S will have VRR, SSD, and a powerful CPU the console will run games just fine. 

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