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Will PS5 sell a lot more than the rival this Christmas?

Yes 93 73.23%
 
Not sure yet 16 12.60%
 
No 18 14.17%
 
Total:127
RolStoppable said:
Intrinsic said:

Write-ups/stock market is describing them as they should b. And that's not a description I am against. Yes, they are all game consoles, they are all in the business of selling games. I am not disputing that.

With regards to my analogy, I don' think it's far off if you are looking at what I was looking at when I made it. They are both cars, they both get people from point A to B, they both use petrol. Bt that is where the similarities end. Ferraris doesn't sell less because there is a new honda civic on the market. If Ferrari is looking at rivals to consider things like power and price, they will not be looking at the Honda civic. They may look at the honda NSX, or Lambo...etc.

To put it in context here, If sony is making the PS5, they aren't looking at the power of the Switch or its hardware. they are not looking at the price of the switch. They are instead looking at what Xbox is doing. Yes, they both play games and the games (carry people from point A to B) and the games have same price (petrol), but one is civic and the other is a Ferrari. You can switch out Ferrari and Putin a ford ranger raptor/F150 in there.

I don't know why when it comes to this topic people just seem to want to generalize as if its all the same thing. But its simply not. As I said before, there is such a thing as direct an indirect competition. You can be in the same industry with other companies, even offering the same product, it doesn't mean you are in direct competition with others in that industry.

And again, if the PS and the Switch were in direct competition with each other, one doing well will always comes at the expense of the other. As is the case between the PS4 and XB1. And I think that alone makes this theory/point clear. If the one doing well doesn't affect the other, then they aren't in direct competition, hell, you may even call them complimentary.

Idk, sony has been hurting in japan long before the switch been released. Japan is a pro handheld market and has always been. I think japan is a bad example to use if you are trying to say switch is hurting PS sales in japan. And I can prove this...

In 7-10 years, the PS3managed to sell only 10M units in japan. In under 7 years, the PS4 has so far sold just over 9M in japan. That suggests that is not doing much better or worse than the PS3 before it. This also suggests that how its faring has nothing to do with the switch. Third parties in japan supporting the switch is simply because its the best selling platform over there. Japan is pro handheld.

You need further proof?

March 6th 2016: PS4 japan weekly sales, 28k
March 12th 2017: PS4 japan weekly sales 35k (a little over a week after the switch launched)
March 11th 2018: PS4 japan weekly sales, 27k

Still, think I am being misguided?

Yes, still misguided. You give Switch only a year to establish itself as a console that is getting more and more former PS-exclusive series, plus you pick single weeks of data instead of longer timeframes. Fact of the matter is that PS4 sales in Japan dropped much sharper this year than anywhere else in the world, but COVID-19 lockdowns happened everywhere. What's your explanation for that?

Wth? 

I used three years of fo te switch. And I took weekly sales from how sales were in the launch period of the switch and compared that in every year.If I was trying to be funny I would have just taken the best weeks where thePS4 sold which isn't representative of the data i provided.

And why did I use just those three years? Because those were the years before the switch lite came to market and I couldn't find data for 2019.

I have shown you the data, and yet you are basing your own argument on nothing but more than your opinion. 

Fact of the matter that the PS4 sales is tracking similarly to the PS3 sales before it. And PS sales in japan has been poor for two whole generations now when compared to thePS2. And neither of that has anything to do with the Switch.

If I am misguided, pls kinda sow me any evidence that shows that the PS4 sales dropped off or isn't selling as it was because of the Switch. 



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Intrinsic said:
RolStoppable said:

Yes, still misguided. You give Switch only a year to establish itself as a console that is getting more and more former PS-exclusive series, plus you pick single weeks of data instead of longer timeframes. Fact of the matter is that PS4 sales in Japan dropped much sharper this year than anywhere else in the world, but COVID-19 lockdowns happened everywhere. What's your explanation for that?

Wth? 

I used three years of fo te switch. And I took weekly sales from how sales were in the launch period of the switch and compared that in every year.If I was trying to be funny I would have just taken the best weeks where thePS4 sold which isn't representative of the data i provided.

And why did I use just those three years? Because those were the years before the switch lite came to market and I couldn't find data for 2019.

I have shown you the data, and yet you are basing your own argument on nothing but more than your opinion. 

Fact of the matter that the PS4 sales is tracking similarly to the PS3 sales before it. And PS sales in japan has been poor for two whole generations now when compared to thePS2. And neither of that has anything to do with the Switch.

If I am misguided, pls kinda sow me any evidence that shows that the PS4 sales dropped off or isn't selling as it was because of the Switch. 

Here's the thread with year over year comparisons:
https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/241660/ps4xbons-2019-vs-2020-week-32-pre-obon-week/

Worldwide: PS4 down ~10% year to date
USA: up ~10%
Europe: no change
Japan: down ~35%
Rest of the World: down ~35%

Rest of the world is mostly Asia where AAA third party games aren't that important either. In North America and Europe the PS4 is flat or slighlty up, but that isn't the case elsewhere. For many Japanese IPs it's not necessary anymore to buy a PS, now that Switch is getting those games. The share of software sales for those IPs has been continually growing for Switch.



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Intrinsic said:

But if you want us to actually get into it, how many of those shared games with the switch are AAA games? The CODs, Fifa, Maddens, NBA2k, Fortnite, Cyberpunk, AC, Watchdogs...etc. Basically the big AAA multiplats that drive console sales. 

Idk.... I am not gonna get into a debate about this, cause you may say I am delusional, but if you can't see that the PS4/Xbox doesn't share a library with the switch the way they share with themselves the maybe you arete delusional one.

Yeah, the Fifa, NBA2K, Fortninte, AC, The Witcher 3 (not Cypberpunk since it isn't released yet), the Doom, the Wolfenstein, are on the Switch indeed.

And for the second paragraph, its calling "changing the scope to be right", a common internet trick, but it doesn't work, your initial statement (Switch shares only 10% of its library with PS4 and Xbox One) was wrong.



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I know the thread is done, but I had to do and edit on the OP about Switch.

Shame on all people mentioning Switch here.

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Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 08 September 2020

God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


0D0 said:
I know the thread is done, but I had to do and edit on the OP about Switch.

Shame on all people mentioning Switch here.

This thread was dead for 2 weeks, but yet you had to come back just to bump it with a note like this.....



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No because it doesnt have compelling games and price is like the xsx that's more powerful and we have the xss that is cheaper than both and the disk less ps5



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Peh said:
0D0 said:
I know the thread is done, but I had to do and edit on the OP about Switch.

Shame on all people mentioning Switch here.

This thread was dead for 2 weeks, but yet you had to come back just to bump it with a note like this.....

Is that a problem?



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


Don’t know what you had to change the title since it was clear that you were referring to the two new consoles that will release this holiday.

But yeah, then I remember....



kazuyamishima said:

Don’t know what you had to change the title since it was clear that you were referring to the two new consoles that will release this holiday.

But yeah, then I remember....

I edited the first post. The Switch posters are unbelievable.



God bless You.

My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

There were three ravens sat on a tree / They were as blacke as they might be / The one of them said to his mate, Where shall we our breakfast take?


It might have a “smidge” more competition then many thought given the latest leak :)



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