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DonFerrari on 10 June 2019
fatslob-:O said:
KBG29 said:
Phil Harrison sat down with Geoff Keighley and confirmed a few more things about Stadia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIs_rAml9Yg

-Online Multiplayer on Stadia will not be locked behind a Paywall. Online Multiplayer on Stadia is FREE.
-Free 2 Play titles will be available on Stadia.
-Subscription Services from 3rd party publishers will be supported by Stadia.
-Stadia Hardware will have regular upgrades, but no timeline is being talked about right now.
-Starting in 2020, players will be able to play Stadia Completely free of charge, using any device, and any controller they choose. Free 2 Play will be free, and gamers can subscribe to the services of their choice, or buy the specific titles they want.

I feel like this is the same situation as when the iPhone launched, and I told gamers, we need PSP and DS Phones, or Handhelds will die. I was laughed off out of the gaming community. Then Vita launched with 3G and Phone services, and I told gamers, you need to support this or Handhelds will disappear. I was told, "I already have a phone", "It is too expensive", "Handhelds are for Gaming", People will never give up Handhelds for touch only gaming". Well, here we are in 2019 and handhelds are gone.

So, I am telling you today, this is a serious threat to Consoles, and if core gamers want to continue to own Physical hardware, and Physical Software, then you need to take this seriously. Right now I am hearing the same types of things, "This is a complete joke", "People will never buy into a Game Streaming Platfrom", "No one will play games via streaming, the internet can not deliver a good enough experience", "Consoles are for Gaming, if I want to watch TV I have an SmartTV/Set Top Box, and if I want to browse the web or use apps I have a PC, Laptop, Tablet, or Smartphone".

Core gamers refused to allow Handhelds and Consoles to expand. They pushed back every time Sony and Microsoft tried to make the platforms more appealing to the wider audience. Gamers sabotaged Gaming 1st Devices, and now it may be too late to save them, gamers may be paying the final price for their actions.

I'm telling everyone here right now. If you want Consoles to survive, do not support Smart TV, do not support Set Top boxes, Do not buy these types of devices for friends or family, do not suggest these devices to anyone. Use your console for everything you do, show how consoles deliver a better experience than those devices, be happy to open up console to more people. Support the services on your consoles.

If console gamers don't support consoles, then this kind of gaming will die, and Streaming or PC will be your only option.

I am personally ready for whatever the future brings. I will game wherever gaming takes. I am just giving a history lesson, and a glimps of where the future could lead if the same path is followed again. Be inclusive, not exclusive.

Then consider consoles as effectively dead then ... 

There's absolutely no way for consoles to be able to compete with smart devices or set top boxes in terms of both functionality and cost because for a lot of consumers out there, the dedicated silicon for gaming performance is just a waste of money to them ... 

There are simply going to be people that don't want to invest in ownership of high-end hardware for gaming ... 

If consoles are dead then we just have to embrace it as a fact ... 

DonFerrari said:

Good luck in people going linux

Hopefully, the world will and after America altogether being so eager to start a trade war it should be in China's interest to stop supporting platforms (Google Services/Windows) that they have no stake in ... 

Getting all of China alone to support Linux would make it a self-sustaining platform for gaming when corporate giants like Tencent could realistically make the transition with official support from the state itself ... 

just a second ago stadia would help linux grow and now moving from google will help?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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fatslob-:O on 10 June 2019
DonFerrari said:

just a second ago stadia would help linux grow and now moving from google will help?

Stadia will only serve as a "stepping stone" for Linux ... 

Ideally, it'll become one of the many potential sacrificial lambs to help Linux ... 



DonFerrari on 10 June 2019
fatslob-:O said:
DonFerrari said:

just a second ago stadia would help linux grow and now moving from google will help?

Stadia will only serve as a "stepping stone" for Linux ... 

Ideally, it'll become one of the many potential sacrificial lambs to help Linux ... 

kkkkk ok



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

0D0 on 11 June 2019
KBG29 said:
Phil Harrison sat down with Geoff Keighley and confirmed a few more things about Stadia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIs_rAml9Yg

-Online Multiplayer on Stadia will not be locked behind a Paywall. Online Multiplayer on Stadia is FREE.
-Free 2 Play titles will be available on Stadia.
-Subscription Services from 3rd party publishers will be supported by Stadia.
-Stadia Hardware will have regular upgrades, but no timeline is being talked about right now.
-Starting in 2020, players will be able to play Stadia Completely free of charge, using any device, and any controller they choose. Free 2 Play will be free, and gamers can subscribe to the services of their choice, or buy the specific titles they want.

I feel like this is the same situation as when the iPhone launched, and I told gamers, we need PSP and DS Phones, or Handhelds will die. I was laughed off out of the gaming community. Then Vita launched with 3G and Phone services, and I told gamers, you need to support this or Handhelds will disappear. I was told, "I already have a phone", "It is too expensive", "Handhelds are for Gaming", People will never give up Handhelds for touch only gaming". Well, here we are in 2019 and handhelds are gone.

So, I am telling you today, this is a serious threat to Consoles, and if core gamers want to continue to own Physical hardware, and Physical Software, then you need to take this seriously. Right now I am hearing the same types of things, "This is a complete joke", "People will never buy into a Game Streaming Platfrom", "No one will play games via streaming, the internet can not deliver a good enough experience", "Consoles are for Gaming, if I want to watch TV I have an SmartTV/Set Top Box, and if I want to browse the web or use apps I have a PC, Laptop, Tablet, or Smartphone".

Core gamers refused to allow Handhelds and Consoles to expand. They pushed back every time Sony and Microsoft tried to make the platforms more appealing to the wider audience. Gamers sabotaged Gaming 1st Devices, and now it may be too late to save them, gamers may be paying the final price for their actions.

I'm telling everyone here right now. If you want Consoles to survive, do not support Smart TV, do not support Set Top boxes, Do not buy these types of devices for friends or family, do not suggest these devices to anyone. Use your console for everything you do, show how consoles deliver a better experience than those devices, be happy to open up console to more people. Support the services on your consoles.

If console gamers don't support consoles, then this kind of gaming will die, and Streaming or PC will be your only option.

I am personally ready for whatever the future brings. I will game wherever gaming takes. I am just giving a history lesson, and a glimps of where the future could lead if the same path is followed again. Be inclusive, not exclusive.

Online multiplayer for free is a huge advantage for sure.

About smart devices killing handhelds. I don't know. 3DS still managed to sell 70m. It's not like the DS bubble but it's 70m. GBA sold 80m when there was no iPhone to compete. Besides NSW is a handheld console too and it's selling a lot. I guess the main reason handhelds aren't growing is because Western gamers and children have moved on from them. Kids played consoles as toys as they play tablets as toys. DS had a bubble, bringing non-gamers to the platform. So, considering 3DS success and NSW success now, I'd say that handhelds aren't dead yet.

About Stadia is a serious threat, I agree. But consoles had other serious threats before, particularly when games for PC became more popular. Back in the late 1990's, many said that there were no reason to own a console when you could get far more variety and superior graphics on PC. It turns out that PC didn't kill consoles, they co-exist.

Streaming is a way of having access to games. All companies will eventually offer it and Stadia as streaming only can co-exist with consoles.

I'm not saying that consoles may never die due to many other reasons. Maybe everything will be on a TV, for example. Maybe Sony will make money with a TV model with Playstation "inside". Something like that. But I still believe that many will still keep buying consoles due to the fact that the idea of everything converging to a single smart device didn't happen. People have watches, phones, tablets, TV boxes, and other things with a CPU inside. Actually people are buying more specialised devices for everything. Consoles can be another specialised device that millions will still be willing to pick up.

There's also the collector market. This market is huge enough to keep things co-existing. Millions still buy physical games and collectors edition. These people will not vanish. People still buy Blu-rays, they buy music, if not CDs, they buy digital music. This market will not vanish.

In case consoles gets devalued throughout the years, they still can make it a little bit cheaper convincing people to buy it. Actually, gaming as a hobby is not exactly cheap anywhere in the world, but consoles are the cheapest part in my opinion. After you buy a console for $350, you spend this lot of money again with games and services very quickly. Buying consoles are not going to get unreasonable that easily.

All forms of access to games can co-exist.



God bless You.

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When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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Cerebralbore101 on 11 June 2019
SpokenTruth said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Yeah I almost mentioned the possibilities of this making PC Linux more mainstream. But then I remembered that PS4 runs on a custom version of Linux or Unix or whatever, and that hasn't helped Linux much. So I didn't say anything. If this made it so you didn't need windows to run 90% of PC games effectively, then that would be awesome. MS is way too greedy with their stupid policy stating that your copy of Windows is only good for a single build of your PC. What's that? You changed your RAM? Lol your Window's license has expired because according to MS you now have a "new" PC! Have fun paying an extra $35 to $100 for another copy of Windows! Also have fun if you pay $35 on a shady aftermarket seller, because MS may randomly decide that versions sold on there aren't valid! 

Honestly, I can see MS making Windows a subscription service OS in the near future. You gotta pay $5 to $10 a month for Windows. Like how Adobe and Autodesk currently screw their customers. 

I hope you're just being facetious because that's not how it works at all.  And even if you did change pretty much your entire PC, you can still carry over your license...unless it's an OEM license in which case you can then blame Dell, HP, or whomever for it being non-transferable.

Yes a little. The point is that when you buy a copy of Windows 10 you should be able to put it on as many personal computers as you own. 



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Cerebralbore101 on 11 June 2019
KBG29 said:
Phil Harrison sat down with Geoff Keighley and confirmed a few more things about Stadia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIs_rAml9Yg

-Online Multiplayer on Stadia will not be locked behind a Paywall. Online Multiplayer on Stadia is FREE.
-Free 2 Play titles will be available on Stadia.
-Subscription Services from 3rd party publishers will be supported by Stadia.
-Stadia Hardware will have regular upgrades, but no timeline is being talked about right now.
-Starting in 2020, players will be able to play Stadia Completely free of charge, using any device, and any controller they choose. Free 2 Play will be free, and gamers can subscribe to the services of their choice, or buy the specific titles they want.

I feel like this is the same situation as when the iPhone launched, and I told gamers, we need PSP and DS Phones, or Handhelds will die. I was laughed off out of the gaming community. Then Vita launched with 3G and Phone services, and I told gamers, you need to support this or Handhelds will disappear. I was told, "I already have a phone", "It is too expensive", "Handhelds are for Gaming", People will never give up Handhelds for touch only gaming". Well, here we are in 2019 and handhelds are gone.

So, I am telling you today, this is a serious threat to Consoles, and if core gamers want to continue to own Physical hardware, and Physical Software, then you need to take this seriously. Right now I am hearing the same types of things, "This is a complete joke", "People will never buy into a Game Streaming Platfrom", "No one will play games via streaming, the internet can not deliver a good enough experience", "Consoles are for Gaming, if I want to watch TV I have an SmartTV/Set Top Box, and if I want to browse the web or use apps I have a PC, Laptop, Tablet, or Smartphone".

Core gamers refused to allow Handhelds and Consoles to expand. They pushed back every time Sony and Microsoft tried to make the platforms more appealing to the wider audience. Gamers sabotaged Gaming 1st Devices, and now it may be too late to save them, gamers may be paying the final price for their actions.

I'm telling everyone here right now. If you want Consoles to survive, do not support Smart TV, do not support Set Top boxes, Do not buy these types of devices for friends or family, do not suggest these devices to anyone. Use your console for everything you do, show how consoles deliver a better experience than those devices, be happy to open up console to more people. Support the services on your consoles.

If console gamers don't support consoles, then this kind of gaming will die, and Streaming or PC will be your only option.

I am personally ready for whatever the future brings. I will game wherever gaming takes. I am just giving a history lesson, and a glimps of where the future could lead if the same path is followed again. Be inclusive, not exclusive.

Handhelds didn't die due to phones though. Vita had terrible 1st party support, was too graphics intensive to attract AA handheld devs and was way outside the proper price point of a handheld. 3DS launched way outside the proper pricepoint of a handheld, and launched with no unique games. Had Nintendo launched a 2DS XL model at $180 back in early 2011, Nintendo would have sold 90 million 2DS XL units by now. 

3DS will likely end it's lifetime sales at around 75 million, and that is by no means a failure. Yes, the DS sold 150 million, but so did the PS2. Does that mean the PS3 was such a failure that home consoles ceased to exist? 

As far as consoles dying goes, I'm taking it as an inevitable thing. I'm fine if consoles die so long as it gets replaced with something just as good. Handhelds are no more, but they've been replaced by the Switch. The Switch is basically a Vita, Wii U, and 3DS all rolled into one. If consoles died, and then the console manufacturers went on to make a GoG style DRM free digital storefront, I'd be fine with that. Or if Sony/Nintendo released physical games to the PC, and started selling Nintendo/Sony branded disc drives that you needed to play their games, I'd be fine with that too. 

What I don't want to see is Streaming as the only gaming option or digital-only games being sold for a full $60 on launch day, with DRM tacked on. DRM-Non-GoG-Style-Digital-Only games are only worth $45 at best, and that's if it's a game you are dying to play right this second. Otherwise you might as well wait for a sale. 



TomaTito on 14 June 2019
Shadow1980 said:
TomaTito said:

If you want to clean the floor, you have two options:

- Purchase a cordless vacuum cleaner.

- Purchase a broom.

Who uses a broom to clean carpets? :p

Point being, cleaning implements aside, Adam Orth's analogy was bogus. He knew full well that, unlike how appliances require electricity or some other power source to work, there wasn't any necessary need for the Xbox One to be always-online in order to work (and of course MS did a 180 on that decision after the backlash, proving that it didn't). He liked the idea of always-online, and was trying to be dismissive and mocking towards those who didn't agree with the idea of an always-online console.

Always forget you northerners love carpets instead of a nice easy to clean solid surface.

And cherry picking is always possible.

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Barozi on 14 June 2019
jason1637 said:
0D0 said:

If they release new mult-plat games without the $60 tag, that would just break the way games are marketed.

They may have some free monthly games or games that will be for free as they add them to the subscription.

If a new sort of price system will come out from this, it'll be also available on ps5 and the next box as they'll also have streaming.

Ads would be a bummer.

@Bold. They already announced that they will add "free games" to the $10 sub. The first game is Destiny 2.

Well that doesn't sound so good anymore considering Destiny 2 is now F2P on Steam.



Mnementh on 14 June 2019
Shadow1980 said:

Who uses a broom to clean carpets? :p

You need the right broom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt2uIhAvQZ8



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Trumpstyle on 16 June 2019

"Stadia players will only be able to play with other Stadia players", Bungie said in an FAQ published this week.

Hah I knew it, why should Steam/epic or Sony/microsoft support cross-play with google stadia, it's a lot better for them to cut off google and let the service die from having no players. This is why google should have made a big launch with exclusive games and not a beta launch, they need a lot of players otherwise multiplayer games will become a wasteland.

https://www.pcgamer.com/destiny-2-on-stadia-will-not-have-crossplay-with-pc/?utm_content=buffer47906&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertw



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