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Random_Matt said:
People still redefining what a hybrid is? Lol.

Sometimes it's really easy to overthink things I suppose. Whether you see it as a handheld first or a home console, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, it does both.



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Pyro as Bill said:
zorg1000 said:

Definition of hybrid: a thing made by combining two different elements; a mixture.

Switch has a mixture of home console and handheld elements making it a hybrid.

What's the difference between a 'portable home console' and a 'handheld'?

If I had a 'portable home console' and 'mixed' it with a handheld, how would it be any different to a portable home console?

https://www.amazon.com/VANGUARD-Personal-Gaming-Environment-Consoles-Included/dp/B00H0R9DSG

How's that?



Shiken said:
BraLoD said:
It's just another handheld.

Not really.  To those that only play docked it isn't and it even performs differently based on docked vs undocked play.  One could CHOOSE to use it that way though.

kirby007 said:

I have seen the discussions since we have known about the switch i called it a tablet in 2013 and in that implementation tossed it in generation 8. But in its current form it is the best of both worlds. So to just end both debates let it be known its a Pocketconsole/handheldonsole of the first generation

Gen 3 pocketconsole.  Gen 1 was the Sega nomad and gen 2 was the Nvidia shield.

I can agree with this even if others list the nomad as gen 5



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teamsilent13 said:

Well except that it runs 8 cores at 1 ghz at below 720p. The iPad Pro both 2017 and 2018 versions have their cores running at a much better rate and better color scheme and better resolution. I would bet Samsungs Tab S3 is probably more powerful than the switch, but the iPad Pro blows it out of the water. If Nintendo just released their games on good hardware I'd already have one. I might buy one depending on how innovative or polished Metroid Prime 4 finishes. I probably will for that reason. I still wish they had better hardware, but I understand the price is an issue. The cheapest the iPad Pro 2017 ever was $450 new from Microcenter and that was the 10.5 at 64 gb so the switch is more cost effective. 

Well, which games does the iPad have? i don't understand that fixation on hardware, as you play games not hardware. Sure, better looking games powered by a better hardware may be superior. But then the comparison with the iPad would fall flat, because still: which games does it offer? Play Hearthstone with less power drain on the hardware?



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Sega Nomad.

Played the exact same games as the Genesis home console. Connected to the tv. Allowed multi players.

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Nintendo doesn't have to be first or "generation one". They just have to do things at the right time when the world is ready to accept it. That's the difference between a Wii remote like success and an Xbox One DRM catastrophe.

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Mnementh said:
teamsilent13 said:

Well except that it runs 8 cores at 1 ghz at below 720p. The iPad Pro both 2017 and 2018 versions have their cores running at a much better rate and better color scheme and better resolution. I would bet Samsungs Tab S3 is probably more powerful than the switch, but the iPad Pro blows it out of the water. If Nintendo just released their games on good hardware I'd already have one. I might buy one depending on how innovative or polished Metroid Prime 4 finishes. I probably will for that reason. I still wish they had better hardware, but I understand the price is an issue. The cheapest the iPad Pro 2017 ever was $450 new from Microcenter and that was the 10.5 at 64 gb so the switch is more cost effective. 

Well, which games does the iPad have? i don't understand that fixation on hardware, as you play games not hardware. Sure, better looking games powered by a better hardware may be superior. But then the comparison with the iPad would fall flat, because still: which games does it offer? Play Hearthstone with less power drain on the hardware?

Civilization VI, Civilization Revolution 1 + 2, X-COM: Enemy Within, Rome: Total War, Tropico, Baldur's Gate 1 + 2, Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Final Fantasy XV Pocket Edition, Titan Quest, Bastion, Fortnite, GTA III, GTA Vice City, GTA San Andreas, GTA Liberty City Stories, Max Payne, Rayman Jungle/Fiesta Run, Oddmar, Life is Strange, Life is Strange: Before the Storm, The Room series, République, Ace Attorney 1 - 6 (best versions of these games), Ace Attorney Investigations, Professor Layton 1 HD, Layton's Mystery Journey, Ghost Trick HD, Hitman GO, Lara Croft GO, Deus Ex GO, Gorogoa, Oxenfree, Framed 1 + 2, Monument Valley 1 + 2, over 50 Telltale Games episodes, hundreds of good Point'n'Click adventures...

Most of these games without micotransactions, well suited for touchscreen input and profiting from the big (compared to Switch) and highres display.



It really doesn't matter. Al that matters is that it is the latest Nintendo console that will have their latest games.

Arguing where it belongs is not worth loosing sleep over as everyone has an opinion on it.



 

 

It's a custom designed gaming tablet that comes with controllers and connect-to-TV dock (that is replaceable by 3rd party cable bundles).

From my POV, in order to be hybrid console, dock should be packing additional SoC that works in tandem with portable unit's SoC while it's docked.



Conina said:
Mnementh said:

Well, which games does the iPad have? i don't understand that fixation on hardware, as you play games not hardware. Sure, better looking games powered by a better hardware may be superior. But then the comparison with the iPad would fall flat, because still: which games does it offer? Play Hearthstone with less power drain on the hardware?

Civilization VI, Civilization Revolution 1 + 2, X-COM: Enemy Within, Rome: Total War, Tropico, Baldur's Gate 1 + 2, Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Final Fantasy XV Pocket Edition, Titan Quest, Bastion, Fortnite, GTA III, GTA Vice City, GTA San Andreas, GTA Liberty City Stories, Max Payne, Rayman Jungle/Fiesta Run, Oddmar, Life is Strange, Life is Strange: Before the Storm, The Room series, République, Ace Attorney 1 - 6 (best versions of these games), Ace Attorney Investigations, Professor Layton 1 HD, Layton's Mystery Journey, Ghost Trick HD, Hitman GO, Lara Croft GO, Deus Ex GO, Gorogoa, Oxenfree, Framed 1 + 2, Monument Valley 1 + 2, over 50 Telltale Games episodes, hundreds of good Point'n'Click adventures...

Most of these games without micotransactions, well suited for touchscreen input and profiting from the big (compared to Switch) and highres display.

So fine, now we have a basis. Quite some of these games are on the Switch too, and while you make screen comparisons, the Switch always has a bigger and better screen available. The poster I answered to had brought up the power of the iPad. Now, let's compare the real games, Civilization VI, FF XV Pocket Edition, Titan Quest, Bastion, Fortnite, The Room, Gorogoa, Oxenfree, Telltale Games, hundreds of good point-and-click adventures - how does the hardware improve the games over the Switch versions? You could make this point regarding PS4 or Xbox One, they have improved game experiences over the Switch, for instance Wolfenstein or Doom. But the iPad? That was really the point I am making. Just putting some specs out there does nothing for me as a gamer, as long games aren't utilizing this power. I actually don't see it for mobile platforms. The actual upside for mobile platforms is, that it is hardware you have bought anyways, for other uses. You have not to put money on the line for a device only used for gaming. But the specs are doing nothing in this case to make it a better gaming platform.



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Mnementh said:

So fine, now we have a basis. Quite some of these games are on the Switch too, and while you make screen comparisons, the Switch always has a bigger and better screen available.

The Switch always has a bigger screen available? My Switch doesn't, it ONLY has a bigger screen available at home and in a hotel room on vacation (hotel TVs tend to be pretty shitty, even in five-star-hotels). Every other time it has to depend on its 6.2''-display with 1280x720 resolution and 60 Hertz.

My iPad Pro on the other hand has a 222% larger screen area for input and output, which is very convenient for most games:

 

The Switch always has a better screen available? Even at home on an expensive TV, I really doubt that. The Switch can't benefit from the higher resolution of 4K-TVs, so it is stuck with a 1920x1080 resolution, the iPad Pro models have resolutions from 2048x1536 to 2732x2048 and sweet native 120Hz displays.

For the image quality: