No no no. We can insult you all we like. That's true tolerance.

Be whatever the hell you desire. Just don't go about saying we're nazis for attacking your beliefs. It's 2017, I thought free speech was popular nowm

LurkerJ said: Being anti-Islam shouldn't be political or controversial either. But this is the world we live in

What bothers me about the Muslim community is that they don't see their hypocrisy. They attack apostates and people who question Islam, yet respect a man who threatened Muhammad multiple times before converting to Islam (Omar ibn Khattab).

The man is literally considered one of the greatest men in Islam, but people can overlook multiple death threats and an actual attempt to kill Muhammad. If he can be forgiven, then honestly why should people criticizing Islam be hated?

Disagree. Antifa and Nazi's are on the extreme parts of the political spectrum and both will often be the cause of violence.
They are unnacceptable in any modern society in my opinion.

The main difference with Antifa and Nazism though is that... Antifa is an anogram for Anti-Facism, Nazi's tend not to hide the fact they are Facist... And because of such Antifa has started to become prevelent because of the rise of Fascist Nazi's.
Antifa isn't afraid to resort to violence if it means that their goals will be achieved... And they need to be condemned, ridiculed and shut down for that.
With that though, they are also not a real organized group, more like a collection of individuals/smaller groups, which is in stark contrast to Nazi's.

You are entirely correct though that in a Democratic free nation that promotes freedoms of expression, movement, association, speech, assembly and so on... People have a right to believe what they desire.
However... That doesn't mean they are free from opposition, that doesn't mean they get a free pass to sprout whatever nonesense they desire without any kind of reprecussion, these freedoms actually have a ton of restrictions.

In short, there is a rise of extremism on both the far left and far right... Not just in the United States, but World Wide.. And that is having a flow-on effect to social cohesian.

LurkerJ said: Being anti-Islam shouldn't be political or controversial either. But this is the world we live in

As a strong believer in Atheism, I entirely agree with you, being against any religion shouldn't be political or controversial.

However... If you are only Anti-Islam and conveniently ignore the atrocities, extremists/terrorists, hate, violence and so on found in other religions like Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and so on... Then you are simply put... Being ignorant and contradictory.

You need to tackle the bigger problem and you need to be tactful in that approach, just spewing rubbish hate isn't going to solve anything, it's only going to continue the escalation of the current friction between groups.

LurkerJ said: Being anti-Islam shouldn't be political or controversial either. But this is the world we live in

We shouldn't be anti-islam, we should pity them. Like all people believing in invisible voices, imaginary friends and other crackpot-theories like christianism, lizard-people, judaism, teapots floating in space (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot ), buddhism, fake moon landing or whatever else crazy things people came up with.

I don't think 99% of people ACTUALLY consider anti-nazi controversial..

But Bethesda is definitly capitalising on this current political climate of the moral panic of the day in the US of Nazism (which I find laughable because there's probably like a small group of about 10,000 wackos out of a 320,000,000 + population of Americans that actually consider themselves "Nazi" or have true Nazi ideology). Even if I'm being generous and throwing in the KKK that's probably another 5,000 at best of an ever dwindling group of overly paranoid hateful weirdos that adhere to that group..

I think much of the backlash comes from the worry that this insult is being flung around far too loosely these days, and can thus be used as a means to justify violence and normal, everyday people who might have some conservative leanings but are nowhere NEAR actual Nazism. (In fact I contend a far left group like Antifa is closer to a modern day equivilant of Nazism/Fascism than the actual 1,000 or so Neo Nazi crazies out there, as they enforce their views be sheer force, which is essentially the essence of fascism. And there are FAR more of them in America today). Hell, a Jewish moderate libertarian conservative like Ben Shapiro is seriously considered a Nazi by some nuts out there.. I think THAT is what's actually concerning to these people, even if they aren't smart enough to communicate that.

Additionally, I think there's like 10x more people being outraged over this outrage, than ACTUAL outrage..

On the topic of the actual GAME, I'm looking forward to playing it. Go to try it out at E3 and it was a lot of fun. Hoping I can land a free review code for XB One, if not I'll probably pick it up for Switch when it comes out.

 No system is inherently evil; every system is invented because the one prior sucked ass, so someone thought "hey, this might work better". Communism sounds great on paper, but has resulted in the deaths of over 150 million people, for the most asinine of reasons. Like owning land, or daring to speak out against your government. 

It isnt controversial to be anti nazi. But we should first defy what a nazi really is. Is every German who voted AFD a Nazi? Or should someone be part of a certain group to be defined as a nazi. Simply saying everyone I don't agree with is a communist or a Nazi is a bit easy. Hitting people because you think they are a Nazi is not okay. And as long they are hurting people or making concentrationcamps you have literally no right to hit them.

Now I am not against killing any race or ideology in games since they are make believe fantasies. And your enemies in games are nothing more than a few pixels which you try to kill. Why should I or anyone care Wetherby the pixels are black, white communist, Nazi or white or anything in between.

True. Sweden is currently far worse than Germany was in the '30s and '40s...

LurkerJ said: Being anti-Islam shouldn't be political or controversial either. But this is the world we live in

There's nothing wrong with believing these things, you can believe whatever you want. However, when you express you're ideas, you may begin to spread hate, which is a problem.

(Of course, there's a difference between critisising things and spreading hate. There's a huge difference between pointing out the flaws of the Islam, and saying that all Muslims are bad people.)

Oh my god, that was the best gif I've seen in a while!

It isn't controversial. The only people who would be offended by it are Nazi's. In which case, if anyone here IS a Nazi, kill yourself. Other than that, I don't think there are any Nazi's here.

Now, I imagine since this website is so right leaning, there are probably some Nazi sympathizers, which imo, is still wrong, but doesn't make you a Nazi.

Left wing people have made a habit of muddying the waters by referring to Trump supporters Nazi's. However, it should be clear that while Neo-Nazi's may prefer Trump's platform of complacency over whatever the Democrats offer, it does not make every Trump supporter a Nazi. It's not a mutually exclusive thing.

That being said, this country is founded on free speech which allows Nazi's to exist in the US. Eh, while I myself believe free speech is a bad idea, it's what this country is so we can't exactly go hurting Nazi's we see. That leads to sympathy of them

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Forgive me but I'm completely baffled by this. Might I ask why?

IMO free speech is the biggest cornerstone of a free and prosperous society. Short of threatening words, ALL speech needs to be allowed. If they are truly horrible ideas (as are the ideas of Nazism, and hell Fascism/Communism in general for that matter), then they will be naturally marginalized and defeated in the free marketplace of ideas as the majority of well meaning people will reject them. Without free speech we are at the whim of oppressive people/governments who feel they can oppress and silence you through force simply because you have the wrong beliefs/ideas. To me that leads to a spiral of self-destruction, and in many ways represents the very characteristics of Nazism ironically..

This is why I despite Antifa fascists because they are starting to implement these tactics.