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Dark_Feanor on 21 February 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Dark_Feanor said:
PS4 is selling well because it´s cheaper and is in many more markets and it was promoted as the "hardcore gamer redeameer".

When you touch a PS4 and use it for a while you fell that it´s also a incompleted product with a old stile GUI and philosophy. It´s powerfull and play games, but has nothing a mid range PC couldn´t do.

You are aware that subjective opinion has no place masquerading as fact. The main objective feature of the ps4's gui that is a step backwards is the lack of custom themes, which is a simple change in hardware.

Furthermore, I could replace every mention of ps4 for xb1 and it would still hold, except for the fact it being in more markets and promoted as the gaming centric console. 

Yes, but this post and the history of console war is full of "subjective opinion", this thread is based on subjective opinion.



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snyps on 21 February 2014
whatever said:
snyps said:
being prepared to launch a vanilla console like ps4 isn't that impressive. it's much more impressive to deliver something never done before. I agree to op. Ms wouldn't have launched in '13 if not for that preemption.

So when is this new console that will deliver something never done before coming out?

1996

analog controls of 3 dimensional graphics

2006

ir motion controls

2012

high definition lagless streaming tablet controller



Daddo Splat on 21 February 2014

Also shouldn't there be a like or dislike button????



method114 on 21 February 2014
Landguy said:
vivster said:
*insert blatant advertising for my thread* http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=178680

It sounbds reasonable. Either they really weren't ready or they planned to steadily improve the thing over the span of the first year.

PS4 isn't much better though. Just imagine if it had launched with PSNow and the PS1/2 emulator.


Have to admit, after reading your OP of that thread, it made me want to discuss this whole idea in detail a lot more.  I have been thinking this since launch week and it just seems like there are more and more reasons to think this every few weeks wen something is either announced or is fixed.

I remeber reading rumors that MS wasn't ready for the launch. They didn't know Sony was so far along when it came to the PS4 they thought they were in the lead.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 21 February 2014
Dark_Feanor said:

Yes, but this post and the history of console war is full of "subjective opinion", this thread is based on subjective opinion.

That may be true. But it is an also an objective fact that Xbox One has not W.W. While this may be countered with they already launched in all meaningful regions(subjective)  or rather  all markets for which they made the majority of their xbox profits.(objective).

There is no counter to the fact that Kinect Voice Recognition, doesn't work for the majority of spoken languages, and not even all the various accents of english yet, not to mention it doesn't work in Mandarin. Since Microsoft themselves touted the Kinect as integral to the XB1 platform, how could they not have finished with its language recognition. Even if it is software, its inherent to the functioning of the Kinect. It would be like releasing the PS4 without the ability for the console to recognize controller input. 

Even the day 1 patch is excusable, regarding the circumstances but about 3 months and still no sign of Kinect or Xbox World Wide.



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J_Allard on 21 February 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Consoles do more than what stand alone TV computerized TV's do. Gaming will always have a place as long as there are people looking for fun  and a challenge. If there was anyone who would willingly drop out of the console race, it would be Microsoft. Its Sony and Nintendos bread and butter.

Errr... Sony's bread and butter is life insurance, has been for years. It's the only thing consistently making them money in recent times. In the gaming market PS3 lost them a ton of money. The Vita is a flop. PS4 is off to a great start, but LOL @ the idea that gaming is Sony's bread and butter given some of their recent trends.

As for people doubting your claim about MS being in the gaming market only to slow down Sony, I am not sure why you have such a distorted view of the opinion. You seem to think it's bold insightful, but everyone knows MS got into gaming because of the Playstation's living room presence. MS has said as such themselves. Plenty of insiders have said as such themselves. But you're mistaken if you are claiming that's the only reason they are still in the gaming market. The other guy quoting you is entirely correct. I know you like to think that MS in the gaming world just follows suit with what Sony is doing and bases all their strategies and moves off of them (you post as such all the time), but if their only goal was still to slow Sony's share of the living room down, then it's time to pack it up and head home. Mission accomplished.

The Xbox 360 would have been the perfect swan song for that line of thinking. They timed the launch perfectly, they essentially tied the PS3 in sales, AFAIK they beat it where it matters (profit), and they dominated the US market. Maybe they started the gen looking to continue slowing Sony down, but by the end of the gen it was apparent they had a product and a brand that could make them money. And with Sony's financial troubles, maybe they don't need to slow them down anyway? The Xbone reveal is all the proof you need that they had a vision for the gaming market unique and all their own and had no desires of outselling Playstation but instead was focused on profit and Windows. With the price and the UI you could still say they are easily emphasizing those things over outselling Sony. We all know MS has billions and billions in their war chest. If their sole purpose in this industry is to just slow Sony down, the Xbone would be $400 at worst. We'd be seeing a lot more exclusives. We'd be seeing parity in hardware.

You can even take the Xbone out of the equation. If MS were here only to pester Sony and stop them from taking over the living room, other products and companies have come along and done that for them, and presented bigger obstacles for MS than Sony ever did. Smart TV's, DVR's, media boxes, tablets, and smartphones have done a good enough job of slowing Sony down all by themselves (both market share wise and profits wise, Sony has lost a ton of money trying to compete in these markets for these devices).



S.T.A.G.E. on 21 February 2014
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The only reason they launched the console in 2013 was because of Sony. The media was following Sony's dev kits and said a long time ago that Sony was prepared well ahead of Microsoft. People think I am joking when I say that Microsoft is only in this industry to distract Sony from gaining ground in multimedia and from affecting the console realm. MS has only worsened the issue. Microsoft doesn't like leaving Sony with too much breathing room because they know in the gaming industry that Sony is a dominant force.


I would have agreed with you back when they released Xbox and Xbox 360 however it is evident now that MS has bigger competitors, I mean BIGGER competitors in the fields that was 'threatened' by Sony back in early 2000s. Therefore we can conclude that MS only stayed in the console market no longer because they wanted to distract Sony but instead for the fact that Xbox actually became successful to a point where it was profitable. With the careful exception of XO ofcourse. 


Microsoft's actions with the launch and reveal are evident that they are still breathing down Sony's neck. I agree that they have their own agenda, but the original goal still stands true.



Alby_da_Wolf on 21 February 2014
J_Allard said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Consoles do more than what stand alone TV computerized TV's do. Gaming will always have a place as long as there are people looking for fun  and a challenge. If there was anyone who would willingly drop out of the console race, it would be Microsoft. Its Sony and Nintendos bread and butter.

Errr... Sony's bread and butter is life insurance, has been for years. It's the only thing consistently making them money in recent times. In the gaming market PS3 lost them a ton of money. The Vita is a flop. PS4 is off to a great start, but LOL @ the idea that gaming is Sony's bread and butter given some of their recent trends.

As for people doubting your claim about MS being in the gaming market only to slow down Sony, I am not sure why you have such a distorted view of the opinion. You seem to think it's bold insightful, but everyone knows MS got into gaming because of the Playstation's living room presence. MS has said as such themselves. Plenty of insiders have said as such themselves. But you're mistaken if you are claiming that's the only reason they are still in the gaming market. The other guy quoting you is entirely correct. I know you like to think that MS in the gaming world just follows suit with what Sony is doing and bases all their strategies and moves off of them (you post as such all the time), but if their only goal was still to slow Sony's share of the living room down, then it's time to pack it up and head home. Mission accomplished.

The Xbox 360 would have been the perfect swan song for that line of thinking. They timed the launch perfectly, they essentially tied the PS3 in sales, AFAIK they beat it where it matters (profit), and they dominated the US market. Maybe they started the gen looking to continue slowing Sony down, but by the end of the gen it was apparent they had a product and a brand that could make them money. And with Sony's financial troubles, maybe they don't need to slow them down anyway? The Xbone reveal is all the proof you need that they had a vision for the gaming market unique and all their own and had no desires of outselling Playstation but instead was focused on profit and Windows. With the price and the UI you could still say they are easily emphasizing those things over outselling Sony. We all know MS has billions and billions in their war chest. If their sole purpose in this industry is to just slow Sony down, the Xbone would be $400 at worst. We'd be seeing a lot more exclusives. We'd be seeing parity in hardware.

You can even take the Xbone out of the equation. If MS were here only to pester Sony and stop them from taking over the living room, other products and companies have come along and done that for them, and presented bigger obstacles for MS than Sony ever did. Smart TV's, DVR's, media boxes, tablets, and smartphones have done a good enough job of slowing Sony down all by themselves (both market share wise and profits wise, Sony has lost a ton of money trying to compete in these markets for these devices).


About Sony gaming: lost money in the past, profitable now, PSV has very disappointin sales numbers,but by now it should be dirt cheap to make, even more with the new cheaper screen, but I agree gaming is not its most profitable business. Anyway, now it can recover part of the previous losses, so it makes sense for Sony to stay in the market, exiting it would make all that money lost forever.
About MS having initially the purpose of stopping Sony, but later remaining in the console market as it became another good business, I agree with you, and given the past losses, recovering money from that investment is for MS another reason as good as it is for Sony.
About the OP: I think we won't ever be able to totally work out what happened inside the three companies, unless they tell us everything, but I suspect that the turnover in MS top management and other key positions contributed to MS being caught off guard. And I give credits to MS for reversing some marketing and PR blunders quite quickly.
All in all I think that both XBOne and Wii U will be able to sell better, at lower prices, with larger game libraries and, particularly needed for Ninty, better marketing, they should learn from MS how important it is to quickly correct mistakes in it.



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Zappykins on 22 February 2014
Fusioncode said:
Zappykins said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zappykins said:

Good grief, another one of these threads?

Well, I do kind of agree with you.   But I would say the Xbox One was more ready than the PS4.  Both seem a bit rushed.  And their biggest games have yet to hit.  For both many games were delayed. 

I do not think in any way Microsoft was 'caught off guard' by Sony at all.  And I think they knew exactly what the console would look like - and it would look very much like theirs.  Hence the tweet by one of the Xbox staff poking fun at the reveal that wasn't. 

I doubt they were surprised by the memory much.  But it would be interesting if anyone has the feed from the conference room at Microsoft where they watched the reveal.

Even the WiiU doesn't quite feel completely launched yet, but it's getting there. 

Seems like the perfect launch of recent might have been the Wii - you have Wii Sports to grab the casuals, and then Zelda: Twilight Princess to go those fans, and Wii Play for people wanting an extra controller.


"the Xbox One was more ready than the PS4"

There are zeeeroooo threads stating the above, yet popular consensus to the contrary.

"I do not think in any way Microsoft was 'caught off guard' by Sony at all."

Again, popular consensus to the contrary.

"And I think they knew exactly what the console would look like - and it would look very much like theirs.  Hence the tweet by one of the Xbox staff poking fun at the reveal that wasn't. "

What is the majority view on the looks of the two consoles eh? Which one looks too big and cheap and which one looks sleak and sexy? In any case, YOUR POINT IS MUTE because knowing what a console looks like is NOT a predicate for being prepared for the opposition AFTRER the opisition has already laid it's plans bare completely (that was 20Feb BTW).

"I doubt they were surprised by the memory much"

So they might've been surprised, but not much? More than the average gamer you'd say? Or less? Oh wait, you're not saying anything.

"Seems like the perfect launch of recent might have been the Wii - you have Wii Sports to grab the casuals, and then Zelda: Twilight Princess to go those fans, and Wii Play for people wanting an extra controller."

It might help if you specified a criteria for "perfect launch". The Wii launch was OK for non-casuals, and the sales were stellar. So I'm assuming you're going by sales. In that case the most "perfect launch" of recent times is the PS4.

Do you in any way really believe what you are saying?

Consists here has little to do with reality?  Remember all those thread where the 'Xbox 360' was 'dead on arrival'  the 'PS3 would sell the most of the gen' (it's still in 3rd by the way), ‘PS3 will be a generation ahead of the Wii and Xbox’ and you know what?  None of that ever happened.  I’m sure I can get a Bieber fan to tell me his the greatest musical of all time, doesn’t make it true.

None of this has anything to do with the current gen. You're just using a strawman. I remember you saying that the XBO would win the launch because a ton of people canceling their PS4 preorders and switching over to XBO in order to play their "excellent" exclusives. That didn't happen either by the way. 

'The most perfect launch is the PS4.'  Really?  With many of it's games delayed, and still not out?  And those that are out, the exclusives aren't getting good reviews.  It's sold a little bit better than the One, but it's also in 30 extra markets.  And they are pushing indy games!  Not that they are bad, but they are like things you can get on your phone.

ONE game got delayed. Driveclub, which needed more time in development. And the highest rated console exclusive between the PS4 and XBO is a PS4 exclusive. Resogun is rated better than any exclusive on XBO. Interesting. Reviews wise the PS4 is winning this battle. And it's sold MUCH better than the XBO. Have you seen the latest NPD results? PS4 beat XBO 2:1 in America last month, I remind you that Microsoft dominated the US last gen. They've lost the UK and and the US in one fell swoop and they're getting absolutely slaughtered in the rest of Europe.

This isn't a close fight, XBO is getting destroyed and is nearing WiiU level of sales. Check the front page if you don't believe me, numbers are all there. You can't argue against numbers. Being in more European markets isn't going to help XBO considering it's a western product and more expensive. Microsoft has tailor made the XBO for the US by focusing on Sports and Kinect and it payed off pitifully. Europe is ignoring the product completely and the US has switched over to PS4. 

Do you really think you can get Outlast or Resogun on your phone? Really? That argument makes no sense. Even if an indie is on mobile that doesn't mean it's going to hurt the console sales. Look at Minecraft, it's on phones yet it sold over 10m on consoles. I'm not sure what your point is but PS4 has major exclusives coming this year with Infamous, Driveclub, The Witness, The Order 1886, MLB 14, Shadow of the Beast, and possibly a new Uncharted. I don't think you can get any of these games on your phone. 

Have you just missed all the reports about how the PS4 has no games?  It does have some, but many either 3rd party, or not all that in demand.

PS4 has no games? Really? Then why is it selling so well? If it was all about the price advantage than the WiiU would be winning this gen. More people are interested in playing Killzone then they are Ryse. If the games are in low demand then why are preorders so high for Infamous? Just because you prefer XBO games does mean everyone in the world shares your opinion. Clearly more people think the PS4 has the stronger lineup and will continue to get better games. Once again, the sales numbers prove my point. You can't dispute the numbers. 

Plus, the PS4 has triple the rate of porn watching than the Xbox One; wouldn’t those users prefer to be playing games if they had them?

So your argument is that PS4 has no games so everyone is watching porn instead? You made this reply very easy. 

Wow, you really seem upset when I point out the people are selling their PS4's to buy Xbox Ones.  Yes, it's happening.  Might happen even more next month as PS4 has nothing like TitanFall.  Nothing at all in the works.  Maybe Sony will say something at E3, but we will have to see -might make a knockoff aka Sports Champions and Play Station 'All Stars.'

Do you realize that Mario Kart 8 was outselling the PS4 in Japan? 

Also, I'm not the one complaining about the lack of PS4 games.  It's the people that bought it.  I was the one that started a thread about Knack getting a bad rap.  You seem to imply I’m some sort of Sony hater or something.

It's not that I prefer the Xbox One.  I think it's a more interesting, innovative and variable system.  The PS4 is fine.  It's like an upgraded Xbox 360 in most every way.  But it hasn't innovated.  Like said, the last big innovation from Sony was the WalkMan.  If I thought the PS4 was better I would buy it.

And as far as a much larger percentage of people watching Porn on their PS4's that's a fact.  Look it up and giggle.  Giggling is fun. You ought to try it.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Fusioncode on 22 February 2014

Zappykins said:

 Wow, you really seem upset when I point out the people are selling their PS4's to buy Xbox Ones.  Yes, it's happening.  Might happen even more next month as PS4 has nothing like TitanFall.  Nothing at all in the works.  Maybe Sony will say something at E3, but we will have to see -might make a knockoff aka Sports Champions and Play Station 'All Stars.'

Nobody's upset, just having light-hearted discussion. Now you keep saying people are selling their PS4s for XBOs but I'm looking at the sales data and I see that PS4 outsold XBO 2:1 in America last month. I also see PS4s selling out constantly while XBO is in stock pretty much in every store. I think it might be that people are trading their XBOs in for PS4s instead. And please stop acting like Titanfall is going to be THE game that saves the XBO in America. Especially when most people will just buy it on 360. I'm sure the game will sell well, but it won't have the impact you and a lot of others are expecting. 

Shall we make a friendly wager about March NPD results? I firmly believe PS4 will outsell XBO in America that month, even with "GAME OF THE MILLENIUM" Titanfall coming out. Also keep in mind that not everyone on the planet wants to play Titanfall as badly as you do. Some people don't care about first person shooters and would have more fun with Infamous. 

So Playstation All Stars and Sports Champions are ripoffs huh? I guess Kinect Sports is a ripoff of Wii Sports and Forza is a ripoff of Gran Turismo. Makes as about as much sense. 

Do you realize that Mario Kart 8 was outselling the PS4 in Japan? 

I didn't realize we had Japanese sales figures for Mario Kart 8 and PS4. That's a bit strange considering PS4 just launched today and Mario Kart 8 is months away. Oh please don't tell me you're using AMAZON for definitive sales data. Come on man, we both know that doesn't work.

Also, I'm not the one complaining about the lack of PS4 games.  It's the people that bought it.  I was the one that started a thread about Knack getting a bad rap.  You seem to imply I’m some sort of Sony hater or something.

You said and I quote "It does have some, but many either 3rdparty, or not all that in demand." That's basically saying most PS4 games are not in demand or 3rd party. That seems to be complaining about lack of games to me. And I see A LOT of people hyped about Infamous and The Order. 

It's not that I prefer the Xbox One.  I think it's a more interesting, innovative and variable system.  The PS4 is fine.  It's like an upgraded Xbox 360 in most every way.  But it hasn't innovated.  Like said, the last big innovation from Sony was the WalkMan.  If I thought the PS4 was better I would buy it.

You seem to prefer XBO, nothing wrong with that, I prefer PS4. Everyone has different tastes.  I find both next gen consoles exact upgrades of their former selves. Neither is doing anything innovative. Kinect isn't innovative to me in the slightest. It's just an interface tool. Not a single game has shown me that Kinect is doing something different. And yes I own Kinect, one of the worst purchases I ever made. I bought into the Microsoft hype and thought it was going to be something special. It wasn't. 

And as far as a much larger percentage of people watching Porn on their PS4's that's a fact.  Look it up and giggle.  Giggling is fun. You ought to try it.

So should you. Don't take a debate too seriously. We're having a discussion on an internet forum. It's not a big deal. 

 





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