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Zappykins said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zappykins said:

Good grief, another one of these threads?

Well, I do kind of agree with you.   But I would say the Xbox One was more ready than the PS4.  Both seem a bit rushed.  And their biggest games have yet to hit.  For both many games were delayed. 

I do not think in any way Microsoft was 'caught off guard' by Sony at all.  And I think they knew exactly what the console would look like - and it would look very much like theirs.  Hence the tweet by one of the Xbox staff poking fun at the reveal that wasn't. 

I doubt they were surprised by the memory much.  But it would be interesting if anyone has the feed from the conference room at Microsoft where they watched the reveal.

Even the WiiU doesn't quite feel completely launched yet, but it's getting there. 

Seems like the perfect launch of recent might have been the Wii - you have Wii Sports to grab the casuals, and then Zelda: Twilight Princess to go those fans, and Wii Play for people wanting an extra controller.


"the Xbox One was more ready than the PS4"

There are zeeeroooo threads stating the above, yet popular consensus to the contrary.

"I do not think in any way Microsoft was 'caught off guard' by Sony at all."

Again, popular consensus to the contrary.

"And I think they knew exactly what the console would look like - and it would look very much like theirs.  Hence the tweet by one of the Xbox staff poking fun at the reveal that wasn't. "

What is the majority view on the looks of the two consoles eh? Which one looks too big and cheap and which one looks sleak and sexy? In any case, YOUR POINT IS MUTE because knowing what a console looks like is NOT a predicate for being prepared for the opposition AFTRER the opisition has already laid it's plans bare completely (that was 20Feb BTW).

"I doubt they were surprised by the memory much"

So they might've been surprised, but not much? More than the average gamer you'd say? Or less? Oh wait, you're not saying anything.

"Seems like the perfect launch of recent might have been the Wii - you have Wii Sports to grab the casuals, and then Zelda: Twilight Princess to go those fans, and Wii Play for people wanting an extra controller."

It might help if you specified a criteria for "perfect launch". The Wii launch was OK for non-casuals, and the sales were stellar. So I'm assuming you're going by sales. In that case the most "perfect launch" of recent times is the PS4.

Do you in any way really believe what you are saying?

Consists here has little to do with reality?  Remember all those thread where the 'Xbox 360' was 'dead on arrival'  the 'PS3 would sell the most of the gen' (it's still in 3rd by the way), ‘PS3 will be a generation ahead of the Wii and Xbox’ and you know what?  None of that ever happened.  I’m sure I can get a Bieber fan to tell me his the greatest musical of all time, doesn’t make it true.

None of this has anything to do with the current gen. You're just using a strawman. I remember you saying that the XBO would win the launch because a ton of people canceling their PS4 preorders and switching over to XBO in order to play their "excellent" exclusives. That didn't happen either by the way. 

'The most perfect launch is the PS4.'  Really?  With many of it's games delayed, and still not out?  And those that are out, the exclusives aren't getting good reviews.  It's sold a little bit better than the One, but it's also in 30 extra markets.  And they are pushing indy games!  Not that they are bad, but they are like things you can get on your phone.

ONE game got delayed. Driveclub, which needed more time in development. And the highest rated console exclusive between the PS4 and XBO is a PS4 exclusive. Resogun is rated better than any exclusive on XBO. Interesting. Reviews wise the PS4 is winning this battle. And it's sold MUCH better than the XBO. Have you seen the latest NPD results? PS4 beat XBO 2:1 in America last month, I remind you that Microsoft dominated the US last gen. They've lost the UK and and the US in one fell swoop and they're getting absolutely slaughtered in the rest of Europe.

This isn't a close fight, XBO is getting destroyed and is nearing WiiU level of sales. Check the front page if you don't believe me, numbers are all there. You can't argue against numbers. Being in more European markets isn't going to help XBO considering it's a western product and more expensive. Microsoft has tailor made the XBO for the US by focusing on Sports and Kinect and it payed off pitifully. Europe is ignoring the product completely and the US has switched over to PS4. 

Do you really think you can get Outlast or Resogun on your phone? Really? That argument makes no sense. Even if an indie is on mobile that doesn't mean it's going to hurt the console sales. Look at Minecraft, it's on phones yet it sold over 10m on consoles. I'm not sure what your point is but PS4 has major exclusives coming this year with Infamous, Driveclub, The Witness, The Order 1886, MLB 14, Shadow of the Beast, and possibly a new Uncharted. I don't think you can get any of these games on your phone. 

Have you just missed all the reports about how the PS4 has no games?  It does have some, but many either 3rd party, or not all that in demand.

PS4 has no games? Really? Then why is it selling so well? If it was all about the price advantage than the WiiU would be winning this gen. More people are interested in playing Killzone then they are Ryse. If the games are in low demand then why are preorders so high for Infamous? Just because you prefer XBO games does mean everyone in the world shares your opinion. Clearly more people think the PS4 has the stronger lineup and will continue to get better games. Once again, the sales numbers prove my point. You can't dispute the numbers. 

Plus, the PS4 has triple the rate of porn watching than the Xbox One; wouldn’t those users prefer to be playing games if they had them?

So your argument is that PS4 has no games so everyone is watching porn instead? You made this reply very easy. 



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Just like Wii U wasn't ready to release in 2012.



Do I think XB1 wasn't ready for 2013 Launch?
Yes. Even After E3 they could've launched in 2014.
BUT
Launching when they did was the best possible move for Xbox, because of Sony.
Xbox not only does not have the brand power to overtake Playstation World Wide, but they also wouldn't be able to compete with their launch library had they waited for PS to amass more exclusives.
PS4 was probably ready for 2013 launch, considering their ability to stock effectively as opposed to they did with the PS3.

In fact, this is kind of a conspiracy of mine, I think Sony baited Microsoft, in order to play off the PR. Cause if MS was ready, then Sony could find someway to undercut them, which they did. And if MS wasn't ready then they could abuse that as well.



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Fusioncode said:
Zappykins said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zappykins said:

Good grief, another one of these threads?

Well, I do kind of agree with you.   But I would say the Xbox One was more ready than the PS4.  Both seem a bit rushed.  And their biggest games have yet to hit.  For both many games were delayed. 

I do not think in any way Microsoft was 'caught off guard' by Sony at all.  And I think they knew exactly what the console would look like - and it would look very much like theirs.  Hence the tweet by one of the Xbox staff poking fun at the reveal that wasn't. 

I doubt they were surprised by the memory much.  But it would be interesting if anyone has the feed from the conference room at Microsoft where they watched the reveal.

Even the WiiU doesn't quite feel completely launched yet, but it's getting there. 

Seems like the perfect launch of recent might have been the Wii - you have Wii Sports to grab the casuals, and then Zelda: Twilight Princess to go those fans, and Wii Play for people wanting an extra controller.


"the Xbox One was more ready than the PS4"

There are zeeeroooo threads stating the above, yet popular consensus to the contrary.

"I do not think in any way Microsoft was 'caught off guard' by Sony at all."

Again, popular consensus to the contrary.

"And I think they knew exactly what the console would look like - and it would look very much like theirs.  Hence the tweet by one of the Xbox staff poking fun at the reveal that wasn't. "

What is the majority view on the looks of the two consoles eh? Which one looks too big and cheap and which one looks sleak and sexy? In any case, YOUR POINT IS MUTE because knowing what a console looks like is NOT a predicate for being prepared for the opposition AFTRER the opisition has already laid it's plans bare completely (that was 20Feb BTW).

"I doubt they were surprised by the memory much"

So they might've been surprised, but not much? More than the average gamer you'd say? Or less? Oh wait, you're not saying anything.

"Seems like the perfect launch of recent might have been the Wii - you have Wii Sports to grab the casuals, and then Zelda: Twilight Princess to go those fans, and Wii Play for people wanting an extra controller."

It might help if you specified a criteria for "perfect launch". The Wii launch was OK for non-casuals, and the sales were stellar. So I'm assuming you're going by sales. In that case the most "perfect launch" of recent times is the PS4.

Do you in any way really believe what you are saying?

Consists here has little to do with reality?  Remember all those thread where the 'Xbox 360' was 'dead on arrival'  the 'PS3 would sell the most of the gen' (it's still in 3rd by the way), ‘PS3 will be a generation ahead of the Wii and Xbox’ and you know what?  None of that ever happened.  I’m sure I can get a Bieber fan to tell me his the greatest musical of all time, doesn’t make it true.

None of this has anything to do with the current gen. You're just using a strawman. I remember you saying that the XBO would win the launch because a ton of people canceling their PS4 preorders and switching over to XBO in order to play their "excellent" exclusives. That didn't happen either by the way. 

'The most perfect launch is the PS4.'  Really?  With many of it's games delayed, and still not out?  And those that are out, the exclusives aren't getting good reviews.  It's sold a little bit better than the One, but it's also in 30 extra markets.  And they are pushing indy games!  Not that they are bad, but they are like things you can get on your phone.

ONE game got delayed. Driveclub, which needed more time in development. And the highest rated console exclusive between the PS4 and XBO is a PS4 exclusive. Resogun is rated better than any exclusive on XBO. Interesting. Reviews wise the PS4 is winning this battle. And it's sold MUCH better than the XBO. Have you seen the latest NPD results? PS4 beat XBO 2:1 in America last month, I remind you that Microsoft dominated the US last gen. They've lost the UK and and the US in one fell swoop and they're getting absolutely slaughtered in the rest of Europe.

This isn't a close fight, XBO is getting destroyed and is nearing WiiU level of sales. Check the front page if you don't believe me, numbers are all there. You can't argue against numbers. Being in more European markets isn't going to help XBO considering it's a western product and more expensive. Microsoft has tailor made the XBO for the US by focusing on Sports and Kinect and it payed off pitifully. Europe is ignoring the product completely and the US has switched over to PS4. 

Do you really think you can get Outlast or Resogun on your phone? Really? That argument makes no sense. Even if an indie is on mobile that doesn't mean it's going to hurt the console sales. Look at Minecraft, it's on phones yet it sold over 10m on consoles. I'm not sure what your point is but PS4 has major exclusives coming this year with Infamous, Driveclub, The Witness, The Order 1886, MLB 14, Shadow of the Beast, and possibly a new Uncharted. I don't think you can get any of these games on your phone. 

Have you just missed all the reports about how the PS4 has no games?  It does have some, but many either 3rd party, or not all that in demand.

PS4 has no games? Really? Then why is it selling so well? If it was all about the price advantage than the WiiU would be winning this gen. More people are interested in playing Killzone then they are Ryse. If the games are in low demand then why are preorders so high for Infamous? Just because you prefer XBO games does mean everyone in the world shares your opinion. Clearly more people think the PS4 has the stronger lineup and will continue to get better games. Once again, the sales numbers prove my point. You can't dispute the numbers. 

Plus, the PS4 has triple the rate of porn watching than the Xbox One; wouldn’t those users prefer to be playing games if they had them?

So your argument is that PS4 has no games so everyone is watching porn instead? You made this reply very easy. 

One of the most ridiculous arguments I've heard, I couldn't ignore it. 

Yeah. PS4 is selling well because of the hype. If it was because of games, Wii U would be dominating at this point, followed by Xbox One, followed by PS4. Xbox One has a better library right now, since PS4's good games aren't out yet.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

The only reason they launched the console in 2013 was because of Sony. The media was following Sony's dev kits and said a long time ago that Sony was prepared well ahead of Microsoft. People think I am joking when I say that Microsoft is only in this industry to distract Sony from gaining ground in multimedia and from affecting the console realm. MS has only worsened the issue. Microsoft doesn't like leaving Sony with too much breathing room because they know in the gaming industry that Sony is a dominant force.


I would have agreed with you back when they released Xbox and Xbox 360 however it is evident now that MS has bigger competitors, I mean BIGGER competitors in the fields that was 'threatened' by Sony back in early 2000s. Therefore we can conclude that MS only stayed in the console market no longer because they wanted to distract Sony but instead for the fact that Xbox actually became successful to a point where it was profitable. With the careful exception of XO ofcourse. 



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Nintentacle said:

Yeah. PS4 is selling well because of the hype. If it was because of games, Wii U would be dominating at this point, followed by Xbox One, followed by PS4. Xbox One has a better library right now, since PS4's good games aren't out yet.

That's completely subjective. I think the PS4 has the far superior library to the XBO and many agree with me. WiiU is the best overall but it's been out the longest. Once Infamous, The Order, and The Witness all come out there won't even be a debate anymore. 



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kekrot said:
Wii U also wasn't ready until the last minute, hence the huuuge day 1 update. So MS isn't the only one...

How was the PS4 launch, the OS and stuff day 1?

Good question, Goku.



Nintentacle said:
Just like Wii U wasn't ready to release in 2012.


The Wii U was ready, Nintendo just didnt have the games. The Xbox Ones hardware wasnt even ready. They doubled back when Sony unveiled the specs of the PS3 scrambling to fix the Xbox One before the launch. They had to interrupt Sonys launch or else.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Do I think XB1 wasn't ready for 2013 Launch?
Yes. Even After E3 they could've launched in 2014.
BUT
Launching when they did was the best possible move for Xbox, because of Sony.
Xbox not only does not have the brand power to overtake Playstation World Wide, but they also wouldn't be able to compete with their launch library had they waited for PS to amass more exclusives.
PS4 was probably ready for 2013 launch, considering their ability to stock effectively as opposed to they did with the PS3.

In fact, this is kind of a conspiracy of mine, I think Sony baited Microsoft, in order to play off the PR. Cause if MS was ready, then Sony could find someway to undercut them, which they did. And if MS wasn't ready then they could abuse that as well.

The way things are looking unless Microsoft makes some new IP's they are all sorts of fucked with Sony this gen. There will barely be exclusives between them and the majority of the exclusives Japanese or otherwise will be on either Sony or Nintendo platforms.



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