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Landguy on 20 February 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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The only reason they launched the console in 2013 was because of Sony. The media was following Sony's dev kits and said a long time ago that Sony was prepared well ahead of Microsoft. People think I am joking when I say that Microsoft is only in this industry to distract Sony from gaining ground in multimedia and from affecting the console realm. MS has only worsened the issue. Microsoft doesn't like leaving Sony with too much breathing room because they know in the gaming industry that Sony is a dominant force.

Well MS must be preparing its exit strategy, because Sony is a shell of what it was in 2000 when PS2 launched. And Consoles are no longer a realistic prospect as the entertainment hub of the house. Apple/Google TV, Smart TVs and and tablets are where control of the home is at now. If MS wan't to dominate the not just the living room buyt the whole house they need to ddrop out of consoles fast and focus on the devices that WILL own the future.

In terms of MS's over all strategy for the consumer electronics market Xb one was the past before it even launched.


Consoles do more than what stand alone TV computerized TV's do. Gaming will always have a place as long as there are people looking for fun  and a challenge. If there was anyone who would willingly drop out of the console race, it would be Microsoft. Its Sony and Nintendos bread and butter.

If M$ dropped out of the console business, they would be giving up all hopes of a unified system to deliver content.  That was the whole point of Windows Phone and Windows 8 and Xbox One.  Soon enough, you will be able to purchase a number of games and content that will play and be usable across all of the M$ platforms.

Gaming isn't Sony's main business.  It just happens to be the only thing making any money for them right now.  They too are trying to keep a foothold in the living rooms.  They also recognize that that isn't enough and are working on systems to sell their vast amount of content through all channels on the internet, not just the PS3/PS4.


Stop saying gaming isn't Sony's main business. It has been a major form of profit for them especially in the wake of their issues. A lot of people investing in MS don't like the gaming industry. Sony historically speaking thought the gaming industry was a joke but today it is their bread and butter just like Nintendo. Microsoft could leave at any time just like they did with the Zune. They jump on companies with multimedia products  when they feel threatened.

Your theory of M$'s fear of Sony is well documented in your comments throughtout many threads.  I disagree with it and that will lead to nowhere for us to comment on each others ideas.

Anyone who has done their reasearch on Microsoft should know about Microsofts issues with Sony or anyone who has endeavors of being a multimedia company. Microsoft has a monopolistic train of thought and they cannot stand competition. Sony wanted nothing to do with Microsoft so Microsoft decided to take them out, especially since Sony threatened the PC market. I have no clue how you can look at Microsofts movements and not seen how almost all of it outside of OS has been a response to the movements of Sony.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-02-07-ex-microsoft-vp-xbox-was-to-stop-sony

This is not a personal attack. When you are predisposed to have an a certain viewpoint, then you will always look at something from that angle and see nothing else.  Like I have said, I have read your links in previous threads and it doesn't take long before I want to mail you a tinfoil hat.  The alternative of that is that you would believe that I am some kind of hardcore Microsoftie or something.  I buy all of the systems every generation(currently have the XB1 and WiiU and will get the PS4 after it hits $299) and don't really pick any one side.  I own many Sony products and many M$ products.  This falls in the line of "is the glass half full or half empty?" to me.  They are both equal, but have a different meaning to each person.  Your comment history is pretty clear in that you believe that M$ sits in a room and makes its decisions based on how to screw Sony instead of how to make money.  That's OK, you can believe whatever you want.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 20 February 2014
Landguy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Landguy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Landguy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
binary solo said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The only reason they launched the console in 2013 was because of Sony. The media was following Sony's dev kits and said a long time ago that Sony was prepared well ahead of Microsoft. People think I am joking when I say that Microsoft is only in this industry to distract Sony from gaining ground in multimedia and from affecting the console realm. MS has only worsened the issue. Microsoft doesn't like leaving Sony with too much breathing room because they know in the gaming industry that Sony is a dominant force.

Well MS must be preparing its exit strategy, because Sony is a shell of what it was in 2000 when PS2 launched. And Consoles are no longer a realistic prospect as the entertainment hub of the house. Apple/Google TV, Smart TVs and and tablets are where control of the home is at now. If MS wan't to dominate the not just the living room buyt the whole house they need to ddrop out of consoles fast and focus on the devices that WILL own the future.

In terms of MS's over all strategy for the consumer electronics market Xb one was the past before it even launched.


Consoles do more than what stand alone TV computerized TV's do. Gaming will always have a place as long as there are people looking for fun  and a challenge. If there was anyone who would willingly drop out of the console race, it would be Microsoft. Its Sony and Nintendos bread and butter.

If M$ dropped out of the console business, they would be giving up all hopes of a unified system to deliver content.  That was the whole point of Windows Phone and Windows 8 and Xbox One.  Soon enough, you will be able to purchase a number of games and content that will play and be usable across all of the M$ platforms.

Gaming isn't Sony's main business.  It just happens to be the only thing making any money for them right now.  They too are trying to keep a foothold in the living rooms.  They also recognize that that isn't enough and are working on systems to sell their vast amount of content through all channels on the internet, not just the PS3/PS4.


Stop saying gaming isn't Sony's main business. It has been a major form of profit for them especially in the wake of their issues. A lot of people investing in MS don't like the gaming industry. Sony historically speaking thought the gaming industry was a joke but today it is their bread and butter just like Nintendo. Microsoft could leave at any time just like they did with the Zune. They jump on companies with multimedia products  when they feel threatened.

Your theory of M$'s fear of Sony is well documented in your comments throughtout many threads.  I disagree with it and that will lead to nowhere for us to comment on each others ideas.

Anyone who has done their reasearch on Microsoft should know about Microsofts issues with Sony or anyone who has endeavors of being a multimedia company. Microsoft has a monopolistic train of thought and they cannot stand competition. Sony wanted nothing to do with Microsoft so Microsoft decided to take them out, especially since Sony threatened the PC market. I have no clue how you can look at Microsofts movements and not seen how almost all of it outside of OS has been a response to the movements of Sony.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-02-07-ex-microsoft-vp-xbox-was-to-stop-sony

This is not a personal attack. When you are predisposed to have an a certain viewpoint, then you will always look at something from that angle and see nothing else.  Like I have said, I have read your links in previous threads and it doesn't take long before I want to mail you a tinfoil hat.  The alternative of that is that you would believe that I am some kind of hardcore Microsoftie or something.  I buy all of the systems every generation(currently have the XB1 and WiiU and will get the PS4 after it hits $299) and don't really pick any one side.  I own many Sony products and many M$ products.  This falls in the line of "is the glass half full or half empty?" to me.  They are both equal, but have a different meaning to each person.  Your comment history is pretty clear in that you believe that M$ sits in a room and makes its decisions based on how to screw Sony instead of how to make money.  That's OK, you can believe whatever you want.


Read the article and stop worrying on my opinion. The proof is there, you just dont want to see it. I tend to pay attention to the meaning of things and when people confirm it i'll shout it to the rooftops. Its guys like you that will always question why I do it, but don't take my word for it . Take the EX VP of Microsofts word for it.



Wighead on 20 February 2014

The only thing that stops people from buying Xbone is the price.  When you can buy a PS4 with, as to date, better grafix at a lower price, no matter what needed updates, missing features at launch or problems the two console were having, people will tend to go to the cheaper product. In the console world, pricing is everything, much more than actual features. You will have a hard time selling a console that is over a 400$ price point no matter the name or features your product is offering (the PS3 was a good example as it fail to sell at launch due to bad pricing and it was the successor of the mighty PS2). Another thing to take in consideration, these companies exist because of the hardcore gamers, but make profits out of the casual.



Cheebee on 20 February 2014

It's true, they only had eight years to get ready you know.

:/

The PS4 press conference caught them really off-guard, I'd think.



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kekrot on 20 February 2014

Wii U also wasn't ready until the last minute, hence the huuuge day 1 update. So MS isn't the only one...

How was the PS4 launch, the OS and stuff day 1?



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Landguy on 20 February 2014
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Read the article and stop worrying on my opinion. The proof is there, you just dont want to see it. I tend to pay attention to the meaning of things and when people confirm it i'll shout it to the rooftops. Its guys like you that will always question why I do it, but don't take my word for it . Take the EX VP of Microsofts word for it.

I have. There is nothing for me to see except someone sharing their opinion.  If you had ever been in a meetings while  with a large corporation, you would know how propaganda works.  You decide on a business plan to make money and then you come up with how to sell your internal employees on getting it done.  Sometimes you simply talk about it as a straight business deal or sometimes you pitch it as an US vs Them thing against key adversaries in that market.  Of course, M$ was an underdog in the gaming business and they would pitch it to employees how they want to take out Sony.  That deoesn't mean much more than Reh Rah Rah.  In top level meetings, they could give a shit how you sell it it VPs and below, they just want results. 

The key here is an ex employee states something and even if 1 or 50 other people say something to the contrary you will not hear it, because your mind is made up. 



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Zappykins on 20 February 2014
Dr.Grass said:
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Good grief, another one of these threads?

Well, I do kind of agree with you.   But I would say the Xbox One was more ready than the PS4.  Both seem a bit rushed.  And their biggest games have yet to hit.  For both many games were delayed. 

I do not think in any way Microsoft was 'caught off guard' by Sony at all.  And I think they knew exactly what the console would look like - and it would look very much like theirs.  Hence the tweet by one of the Xbox staff poking fun at the reveal that wasn't. 

I doubt they were surprised by the memory much.  But it would be interesting if anyone has the feed from the conference room at Microsoft where they watched the reveal.

Even the WiiU doesn't quite feel completely launched yet, but it's getting there. 

Seems like the perfect launch of recent might have been the Wii - you have Wii Sports to grab the casuals, and then Zelda: Twilight Princess to go those fans, and Wii Play for people wanting an extra controller.


"the Xbox One was more ready than the PS4"

There are zeeeroooo threads stating the above, yet popular consensus to the contrary.

"I do not think in any way Microsoft was 'caught off guard' by Sony at all."

Again, popular consensus to the contrary.

"And I think they knew exactly what the console would look like - and it would look very much like theirs.  Hence the tweet by one of the Xbox staff poking fun at the reveal that wasn't. "

What is the majority view on the looks of the two consoles eh? Which one looks too big and cheap and which one looks sleak and sexy? In any case, YOUR POINT IS MUTE because knowing what a console looks like is NOT a predicate for being prepared for the opposition AFTRER the opisition has already laid it's plans bare completely (that was 20Feb BTW).

"I doubt they were surprised by the memory much"

So they might've been surprised, but not much? More than the average gamer you'd say? Or less? Oh wait, you're not saying anything.

"Seems like the perfect launch of recent might have been the Wii - you have Wii Sports to grab the casuals, and then Zelda: Twilight Princess to go those fans, and Wii Play for people wanting an extra controller."

It might help if you specified a criteria for "perfect launch". The Wii launch was OK for non-casuals, and the sales were stellar. So I'm assuming you're going by sales. In that case the most "perfect launch" of recent times is the PS4.

Do you in any way really believe what you are saying?

Consists here has little to do with reality?  Remember all those thread where the 'Xbox 360' was 'dead on arrival'  the 'PS3 would sell the most of the gen' (it's still in 3rd by the way), ‘PS3 will be a generation ahead of the Wii and Xbox’ and you know what?  None of that ever happened.  I’m sure I can get a Bieber fan to tell me his the greatest musical of all time, doesn’t make it true.

'The most perfect launch is the PS4.'  Really?  With many of it's games delayed, and still not out?  And those that are out, the exclusives aren't getting good reviews.  It's sold a little bit better than the One, but it's also in 30 extra markets.  And they are pushing indy games!  Not that they are bad, but they are like things you can get on your phone.

Have you just missed all the reports about how the PS4 has no games?  It does have some, but many either 3rd party, or not all that in demand.

Plus, the PS4 has triple the rate of porn watching than the Xbox One; wouldn’t those users prefer to be playing games if they had them?

 



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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MonstaTruk on 21 February 2014
Wighead said:

The only thing that stops people from buying Xbone is the price.  When you can buy a PS4 with, as to date, better grafix at a lower price, no matter what needed updates, missing features at launch or problems the two console were having, people will tend to go to the cheaper product. In the console world, pricing is everything, much more than actual features. You will have a hard time selling a console that is over a 400$ price point no matter the name or features your product is offering (the PS3 was a good example as it fail to sell at launch due to bad pricing and it was the successor of the mighty PS2). Another thing to take in consideration, these companies exist because of the hardcore gamers, but make profits out of the casual.

Oh.  So, with your line of thinking, like the PS3, the Xbox One is still very much in it.  HELL, could even WIN this generation of gaming, right?



Garland on 21 February 2014
binary solo said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The only reason they launched the console in 2013 was because of Sony. The media was following Sony's dev kits and said a long time ago that Sony was prepared well ahead of Microsoft. People think I am joking when I say that Microsoft is only in this industry to distract Sony from gaining ground in multimedia and from affecting the console realm. MS has only worsened the issue. Microsoft doesn't like leaving Sony with too much breathing room because they know in the gaming industry that Sony is a dominant force.

Well MS must be preparing its exit strategy, because Sony is a shell of what it was in 2000 when PS2 launched. And Consoles are no longer a realistic prospect as the entertainment hub of the house. Apple/Google TV, Smart TVs and and tablets are where control of the home is at now. If MS wan't to dominate the not just the living room buyt the whole house they need to ddrop out of consoles fast and focus on the devices that WILL own the future.

In terms of MS's over all strategy for the consumer electronics market Xb one was the past before it even launched.

I agree. IMO, Microsoft is just about too little, too late with their living room focus, as most people are now using their tablets & other devices for the living room nowadays. Live TV isn't all that popular anymore.

Maybe if they would've done that about 6 to 10 years ago with Xbox 360, then their focus for the living room would've been big. Also, I certainly don't think that Microsoft will easily be able to get 81 million owners (or more) on Xbox One like they did with Xbox 360, especially if they don't have the rest of the world besides NA, as Xbox 360 had at least 34 million owners outside NA (UK/Europe was the biggest with about 26 million owners).



MoHasanie on 21 February 2014

If they delayed it then they would have the PS4 a headstart and would have never caught up.



    

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