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thismeintiel on 06 March 2013
pezus said:
Nsanity said:
Those 77 million PS3's sold worldwide guesstimates are from IDC.

Yep, but that was for PS3 shipments by the end of 2012. It was most probably around 75m by the end of the year, so closer to 76m+ right now

Actually, I believe most people are referencing 77M because of Jack Tretton's comment that he thought they were either tied with or had passed the 360, with sales around 77M.  Most assume the real number was ~76.5M at that time, but will probably be at 77M by the end of this quarter.  So, the PS3 will take 2nd in this quarter or the next.



 

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Mnementh on 06 March 2013
ethomaz said:

Mnementh said:

Nice that you say that. Nice also, that you ignore my offer of a bet based on your own prediction that PS3 will overtake the Wii. Seems you don't trust your own prediction enough. And don't say you didn't see my bet-offer, I quoted you directly so it was marked in your forum-buddy. platformmaster took the bet in your place.

Sorry I have bad feelings with bets... and that is a too long term bet.

But I can make a bet with you... PS3 will outsell the Wii lifetime someday... what will be the rules???

Well, it certainly is a long-term-bet, but hard to avoid with the prediction you make. Terms: the same as with platformmaster?



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ethomaz on 06 March 2013

Mnementh said:

Well, it certainly is a long-term-bet, but hard to avoid with the prediction you make. Terms: the same as with platformmaster?

Fine... challenge accepted lol... I accept the bet and you can do anything with my sig and avatar for one month if I lost it.



Mnementh on 06 March 2013
ethomaz said:

Mnementh said:

Well, it certainly is a long-term-bet, but hard to avoid with the prediction you make. Terms: the same as with platformmaster?

Fine... challenge accepted lol... I accept the bet and you can do anything with my sig and avatar for one month if I lost it.

OK. This will take some time and at the point probably nobody is longer interested in that, but more about gen 8, but I'm thrilled to see the outcome of this.



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bananaking21 on 06 March 2013
pezus said:
Nsanity said:
Those 77 million PS3's sold worldwide guesstimates are from IDC.

Yep, but that was for PS3 shipments by the end of 2012. It was most probably around 75m by the end of the year, so closer to 76m+ right now


according to jack tettron they are are about 77M now. ill take his word over IDC's or vgcharts or any MS fanboy who doesnt want to believe that anyday any day though. (im not reffering to nsanity with the fanboy comment, just fanboys in general)



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slowmo on 06 March 2013
Kyuu said:
slowmo said:
Kyuu said:

Another one accuses me for shit LOL. You guys can talk all you want but check your own profiles and your game collections, you guys are the only obvious fanboys here. You don't have a single Playstation game while I played more X360 than PS3. And my profile picture is a character from Tales of Vesperia, which is an X360 exclusive and my favorite RPG this generation. So do yourself a favor and stop accusing me being a fanboy, or "upset that Microsoft had better marketing policies" None of that makes sense and you don't want to embarrass yourselves further.

I'm fully aware of Sony's messes this generation. But in my opinion, they provided far superior customer services. The money you spent on Xbox live, repairing your console, buying add ons and everything. I could buy hundreds of games with it. You can continue playing the Xbox 360 apologists, that's your call.

I'm fully aware Microsoft beat Sony in Marketing and profits this gen by a long shot. But this is irrelevant to the subject.


Assuming you were talking to me, I thought you might like to know I own all 3 last gen consoles.  The only person embarrassing themself is you with the above mini explosion.  I indicated you had a bias, that doesn't make you a fanboy and I certainly didn't call you one, its perfectly natural for people to favour one product over another.  I merely asked you to put that bias to one side and see both companies are in it for profit, nothing more or less.  Sony dont care about you, they want your money, pure and simple.  

Most people spent nothing on repairing their console as it was free under warranty, not so for all the YLOD victims though...


I had what you call a mini explosion because I'm tired of fanboyish/baseless accusasions. I wasn't biased one bit. Just because you see things differenly doens't make me biased. I had my experience with Microsoft and I didn't like it. Sony of course cares about bussiness just as much as MS but it never felt to me that they're anywhere as obssessed. You wanna disagree, that's fine. But don't attack me and jump into conclusions. I'm not upset that Microsoft "DESTROYED" Sony finencially in this generation of gaming. Sony were too cocky/too arrogant, they totally deserved what they got and I laugh harder than you think when I look back at their early statements, like when Kutaragi called the X360 "only Xbox 1.5" and that "it was only going after PS2". I think the PS3 is a huge failure that may have changed Sony's fate as a corporation. It's an awful product from a marketting view of point.

 

But things differ from a consumer perspective. Sony treats its gamers better and many people here felt no different. Critical thinking is not necessarily bias. In this article I'm attacking Microsoft because someone attacked Playstation gamers with too little logic. I attacked Sony very often regarding different, much broader matters. I think Sony's existence in its own right is harfmul to the society. Luring people into gaming, music, and entertainment obsession. I see this not only as waste of time, but a massive distraction on humanity.


I'm fed up of you calling me a fanboy but not getting moderated for it but such is life.  You're biased, deal with it.



slowmo on 06 March 2013
Kyuu said:
@slowmo
I only called you a fanboy once and it wasn't even direct yet you're already "fed up"? Even a retard could tell you're more biased than I am if you read what I wrote and still call me biased. It's my fault giving you attention and clarifying my thoughts. Have a great day.


I will, get yourself to bed, you've got school in the morning.



theRepublic on 06 March 2013
pezus said:
theRepublic said:
Has anyone actually been in the gaming section of a big box store lately? There are four consoles and two handhelds right now and it is packed. There is not going to be space for six consoles, two handhelds, plus games for each. All last gen consoles are not going to be stocked after about one year of the PS4 and Xbox3 coming to market.

As ever, it isn't about sales in the Western world in the twilight years of consoles with long legs, it's about emerging markets and "poorer" countries. PS2 basically stopped selling in America long ago, yet it still kept on trucking year after year, selling a lot somewhere.

The PS3 will never ever be as cheap to manufacture as the PS2.  Good luck selling it at such a high price to those emerging markets.



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scottie on 06 March 2013
pezus said:
scottie said:
lol, no. Not going to happen. The PS3 is 23 million units behind a (slowly) moving target. The PS4 has already been announced, and it's not long (~7 months, barring delays) until marketing starts for it.

The PS3 doesn't have the install base to justify annual releases of sports games etc that the PS2 got.

They are wrong by the way with the "Wii sales dropped because it can't play dvds. That is rubbish. Wii sales dropped when games stopped releasing. The ability to play dvds or blu rays will not extend the PS3's life - it needs new games to avoid sales plummeting. It will have a good year this year, but Sony has moved most of its effort to Vita or PS4, and 3rd parties are shifting to the next gen too.

The PS3 will get decent sales from here, but not close to the 25 M+ it needs to outsell the Wii.

Bold: Yes it does...In fact, annual releases sell far more on PS3 than they ever did on PS2 (compare CoD, FIFA etc...)

Actually, PS3 won't need a lot of new games to keep selling, since it will be relying on emerging markets. So the games will be new to them.


CoD is a deliberately misleading example because the franchise is much bigger now, it does not imply that the PS3 is better at selling CoD games than the PS2. CoD sells a lot more on all platforms in recent years, not just on the PS3. CoD is a bigger franchise now.

 

As for Fifa - the best selling PS3 version of Fifa sold 1.5x what the best selling PS2 version did, the best selling 360 version sold 4.5x what the best xbox one did. The best selling Wii version sold 5.5x as much as the best selling GC one. Fifa is a bigger franchise now, and it's has moved away from the playstation family towards the xbox family and Nintendo.

 

So we want annual games that have sold much better on PS3 than PS2, but have not seen a corresponding increase from xbox-360. These games just don't exist. Look at madden, the top in sales are 1-6 = PS2, 7-9 = 360, 10=PS2, 11-13 = 360, 14-16 = PS3. Madden was huge on the PS2, and is now big on the 360.

 

Winning Eleven was another franchise that kept the PS2 afloat, sales dropped about 50% from PS2 to PS3, and yet increased by 100% from xbox to 360, and Wii got some reasonable sales where the GC had none.

 

Madden is now going to be helping the 360, not the PS3

Fifa helped the PS2, now it will help the PS3, but to nowhere near the same extent, and it will help the 360 too.

Winning Eleven helped the PS2, now it will help the PS3, but to nowhere near the same extent, and it will help the 360 too.

CoD will help both the PS360, whereas before it helped only PS2.

Guitar Hero helped the PS2, now it will help no-one.

 

The PS3 does not have any franchise that will help it the way that Guitar Hero, Madden, Fifa and Winning Eleven helped the PS2.

 

lol at the emerging markets point.



thismeintiel on 06 March 2013
scottie said:
pezus said:
scottie said:
lol, no. Not going to happen. The PS3 is 23 million units behind a (slowly) moving target. The PS4 has already been announced, and it's not long (~7 months, barring delays) until marketing starts for it.

The PS3 doesn't have the install base to justify annual releases of sports games etc that the PS2 got.

They are wrong by the way with the "Wii sales dropped because it can't play dvds. That is rubbish. Wii sales dropped when games stopped releasing. The ability to play dvds or blu rays will not extend the PS3's life - it needs new games to avoid sales plummeting. It will have a good year this year, but Sony has moved most of its effort to Vita or PS4, and 3rd parties are shifting to the next gen too.

The PS3 will get decent sales from here, but not close to the 25 M+ it needs to outsell the Wii.

Bold: Yes it does...In fact, annual releases sell far more on PS3 than they ever did on PS2 (compare CoD, FIFA etc...)

Actually, PS3 won't need a lot of new games to keep selling, since it will be relying on emerging markets. So the games will be new to them.


CoD is a deliberately misleading example because the franchise is much bigger now, it does not imply that the PS3 is better at selling CoD games than the PS2. CoD sells a lot more on all platforms in recent years, not just on the PS3. CoD is a bigger franchise now.

 

As for Fifa - the best selling PS3 version of Fifa sold 1.5x what the best selling PS2 version did, the best selling 360 version sold 4.5x what the best xbox one did. The best selling Wii version sold 5.5x as much as the best selling GC one. Fifa is a bigger franchise now, and it's has moved away from the playstation family towards the xbox family and Nintendo.

 

So we want annual games that have sold much better on PS3 than PS2, but have not seen a corresponding increase from xbox-360. These games just don't exist. Look at madden, the top in sales are 1-6 = PS2, 7-9 = 360, 10=PS2, 11-13 = 360, 14-16 = PS3. Madden was huge on the PS2, and is now big on the 360.

 

Winning Eleven was another franchise that kept the PS2 afloat, sales dropped about 50% from PS2 to PS3, and yet increased by 100% from xbox to 360, and Wii got some reasonable sales where the GC had none.

 

Madden is now going to be helping the 360, not the PS3

 

Fifa helped the PS2, now it will help the PS3, but to nowhere near the same extent, and it will help the 360 too.

 

Winning Eleven helped the PS2, now it will help the PS3, but to nowhere near the same extent, and it will help the 360 too.

CoD will help both the PS360, whereas before it helped only PS2.

Guitar Hero helped the PS2, now it will help no-one.

 

The PS3 does not have any franchise that will help it the way that Guitar Hero, Madden, Fifa and Winning Eleven helped the PS2.

 

lol at the emerging markets point.

What a misleading post.  You honestly think MS is going to push the 360 as hard as Sony will push the PS3 in those markets?  Hell no.  Not only does MS not have the same size shipping network as Sony does, but MS is going to abandon the 360 after a year or two after the NeXbox's launch.  They are going to be focusing full force on the an uphill battle against the PS4. 

Your numbers are also quite misleading, as it's not hard to see why the PS3 has the smallest increase in Fifa when the PS2's competition didn't even make it past 25M units.  Or why an American Football game will sell more on the system that has a larger install base in America.  Of course, in a few years, it won't be in America where the sales will be coming from.  The PS3 sells the most copies of Fifa and Winning Eleven, and in the areas where the sales are going to matter most in the coming years.