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PullusPardus said:
man-bear-pig said:
pezus said:
man-bear-pig said:
Euphoria14 said:
^ Not everyone finds it to be worth $600-$800 though.


It is worth about £5,000 to me. It does EVERYTHING and it never leaves my side. Everyone I know who has an iPad is the same, they never leave it down, and it provides them with countless hours of music, movies, internet surfing, easy access to emails, apps to suit your every imaginable need...and everything else. 

Everything but play youtube videos. That's a big fail in my book


It does play youtube videos. It doesn't work for spurges videos cos he uses some fucked up code, lol. Your videos (and everyone elses) work fine though, I just said it didnt work earlier because I was busy and couldn't be assed watching a video. :)


Try an android tablet, you will like it even better, having used both ( both Ipad 2 and Sony Tablet S)

let me get to why Android tablets are better.

Ipad doesn't support flash thats a big no no to web browsing, for example , visiting VGchartz, you can't see the "VGChartz Buddy" box on the left there, because it doesn't support flash , also most sites, embed videos of youtube videos and other sites , some of them do work if they're youtube videos, but not all it shows you the "Q =/= " logo , ALA Quick Time event doesn't support this video, when clicking on them, they go into the youtube app instead of playing in place which defeat multitasking (see below)

another thing about IOS is that it is very limited , and not costumizable, Android on the other hand, feels like a PC OS , you can do physically everything with it, and change everything with it, its built this way, while the IOS is built to only handle Apple Apps for its OS.

Android Tablets are synced to your PC and Android phone, so if you do something on your PC , and want to continue it on your Tablet/ Phone , you just shut it down and simply continue with your Tablet/Phone, it autosyncs everything.

also the prices, just like the Mac vs PC , the prices of the Apple devices are outragous, of course everyone buys them for the brand, but the fact that the other lesser expensive devices offer more is outragous, with the price of an Ipad you can buy three of the best Android tablets, or you can even buy a gaming PC rig, with mid - high specs and you can run most games released today on max, i find it really puzzling that most people complain on how expensive a gaming PC is , while at the same time owning a Macbook air , an Iphone and an Ipad. What???

and finally multitasking, on the Android tablet / phones, multitasking is one of the best features , you can open multiple apps/ programs while using others, just like a PC, its kinda a shame for Ipad since it has a good enough processor, which I never understand why Apple refuses to have a device with multitasking, it works great with their Macbooks.

You seem to be pretty misinformed here on a number of points. 

First, the Flash thing since that's usually the first complaint. The iPad runs Flash. Safari for iOS does not. For anyone who this is a legitimate issue, they are using Puffin browser. Personally, the number of times I find myself using Puffin (almost never other than to see if a site is Flash dependent) demonstrates the shrinking relevancy of the supposed biggest fault of the iPad. 

The problem with Android tablets is that there is no set standard for resolutions among the dozens of manufacturers meaning it's a bit of a pain to code apps for them that are optimized to use the native resolution of your tablet. So that whole non-standard, customization benefit (which only benefits those who bother to customize) cuts both ways. 

The whole "walled garden" approach of the iOS ecosystem, while flying contrary to a preferable open system in which nearly everything could be run directly through a browser, effectively eliminates apps that don't display or run properly. Apps that don't either disappear quickly after being called out by user reviews, or are patched. 

Better approach? Totally debatable, but I've yet to encounter a current app I wanted to run that didn't run optimally on the iPad 3. 

Multi-tasking hasn't been absent on iOS since iOS 3.0. I don't know if you're confused, or if I am here. A double tap on the Home button pulls up all apps currently running on the iPad allowing a quick touch on the app the user wishes to resume work on. Apps that are continually running continue to run in the background until the user switches back. If anything, my complaint would be that the user has to unintuitively close any background apps or the list of background running apps will grow to comedic proportions while eating memory, computing cycles and battery power. 

Cost-wise, the only thing Apple eliminated was the cheap device segment, which was the segment Steve Jobs had decreed Apple would never be a part of, hence no $250-300 netbooks back when they were all the rage circa 2008-2009. Instead, Apple released the MB Air (to the familiar trumpets of good god that's too expensive by detractors), which effectively spawned the entire ultrabook segment, none of which are cheap when comparably configured.

The "iPads are too expensive" claim ignores the existence of top end Android tablets, which not coincidentally tend to be the highest rated devices. They don't stop at $300, 400 or even $500. Comparable 10" tablets like the Galaxy Tab 10 or the Sony Tablet S are about $600.

The iPad 2 is $399. 

And while I'm not participating in any betting pools on this, there are odds that Apple releases a 7" iPad that would likely be priced at $299, possibly even less. It would be a near zero profit device (much like the Kindle Fire), but would serve as a strategic device to both satisfy consumer demand for a smaller and cheaper (more accessible) iPad, eliminating cost as the primary reason to shop elsewhere and opening up the iOS market to lower budgets. Naturally, Android tablet makers would rather not see this happen. 



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greenmedic88 said:
PullusPardus said:
man-bear-pig said:
pezus said:
man-bear-pig said:
Euphoria14 said:
^ Not everyone finds it to be worth $600-$800 though.


It is worth about £5,000 to me. It does EVERYTHING and it never leaves my side. Everyone I know who has an iPad is the same, they never leave it down, and it provides them with countless hours of music, movies, internet surfing, easy access to emails, apps to suit your every imaginable need...and everything else. 

Everything but play youtube videos. That's a big fail in my book


It does play youtube videos. It doesn't work for spurges videos cos he uses some fucked up code, lol. Your videos (and everyone elses) work fine though, I just said it didnt work earlier because I was busy and couldn't be assed watching a video. :)


Try an android tablet, you will like it even better, having used both ( both Ipad 2 and Sony Tablet S)

let me get to why Android tablets are better.

Ipad doesn't support flash thats a big no no to web browsing, for example , visiting VGchartz, you can't see the "VGChartz Buddy" box on the left there, because it doesn't support flash , also most sites, embed videos of youtube videos and other sites , some of them do work if they're youtube videos, but not all it shows you the "Q =/= " logo , ALA Quick Time event doesn't support this video, when clicking on them, they go into the youtube app instead of playing in place which defeat multitasking (see below)

another thing about IOS is that it is very limited , and not costumizable, Android on the other hand, feels like a PC OS , you can do physically everything with it, and change everything with it, its built this way, while the IOS is built to only handle Apple Apps for its OS.

Android Tablets are synced to your PC and Android phone, so if you do something on your PC , and want to continue it on your Tablet/ Phone , you just shut it down and simply continue with your Tablet/Phone, it autosyncs everything.

also the prices, just like the Mac vs PC , the prices of the Apple devices are outragous, of course everyone buys them for the brand, but the fact that the other lesser expensive devices offer more is outragous, with the price of an Ipad you can buy three of the best Android tablets, or you can even buy a gaming PC rig, with mid - high specs and you can run most games released today on max, i find it really puzzling that most people complain on how expensive a gaming PC is , while at the same time owning a Macbook air , an Iphone and an Ipad. What???

and finally multitasking, on the Android tablet / phones, multitasking is one of the best features , you can open multiple apps/ programs while using others, just like a PC, its kinda a shame for Ipad since it has a good enough processor, which I never understand why Apple refuses to have a device with multitasking, it works great with their Macbooks.

You seem to be pretty misinformed here on a number of points. 

First, the Flash thing since that's usually the first complaint. The iPad runs Flash. Safari for iOS does not. For anyone who this is a legitimate issue, they are using Puffin browser. Personally, the number of times I find myself using Puffin (almost never other than to see if a site is Flash dependent) demonstrates the shrinking relevancy of the supposed biggest fault of the iPad. 

The problem with Android tablets is that there is no set standard for resolutions among the dozens of manufacturers meaning it's a bit of a pain to code apps for them that are optimized to use the native resolution of your tablet. So that whole non-standard, customization benefit (which only benefits those who bother to customize) cuts both ways. 

The whole "walled garden" approach of the iOS ecosystem, while flying contrary to a preferable open system in which nearly everything could be run directly through a browser, effectively eliminates apps that don't display or run properly. Apps that don't either disappear quickly after being called out by user reviews, or are patched. 

Better approach? Totally debatable, but I've yet to encounter a current app I wanted to run that didn't run optimally on the iPad 3. 

Multi-tasking hasn't been absent on iOS since iOS 3.0. I don't know if you're confused, or if I am here. A double tap on the Home button pulls up all apps currently running on the iPad allowing a quick touch on the app the user wishes to resume work on. Apps that are continually running continue to run in the background until the user switches back. If anything, my complaint would be that the user has to unintuitively close any background apps or the list of background running apps will grow to comedic proportions while eating memory, computing cycles and battery power. 

Cost-wise, the only thing Apple eliminated was the cheap device segment, which was the segment Steve Jobs had decreed Apple would never be a part of, hence no $250-300 netbooks back when they were all the rage circa 2008-2009. Instead, Apple released the MB Air (to the familiar trumpets of good god that's too expensive by detractors), which effectively spawned the entire ultrabook segment, none of which are cheap when comparably configured.

The "iPads are too expensive" claim ignores the existence of top end Android tablets, which not coincidentally tend to be the highest rated devices. They don't stop at $300, 400 or even $500. Comparable 10" tablets like the Galaxy Tab 10 or the Sony Tablet S are about $600.

The iPad 2 is $399. 

And while I'm not participating in any betting pools on this, there are odds that Apple releases a 7" iPad that would likely be priced at $299, possibly even less. It would be a near zero profit device (much like the Kindle Fire), but would serve as a strategic device to both satisfy consumer demand for a smaller and cheaper (more accessible) iPad, eliminating cost as the primary reason to shop elsewhere and opening up the iOS market to lower budgets. Naturally, Android tablet makers would rather not see this happen. 

I am not misinformed
and i am too lazy to explain.



couple more points:

The "VGChartz Buddy" is not Flash. It's javascript. There's no reason the iPad can't load it. Plenty of other web sites have chosen to display similar floating menus to mobile Safari. I would guess that VGC chose not to in order to make this site a little less bloated for mobile devices. Since the graphing feature has been removed from VGC, the only Flash on this site is in the ads.

Second, I doubt we'll ever see a 7" iPad. A UI designed for iPhone would blow up too big and a UI designed for iPad would shrink down too small. I don't think Apple will ask developers to make a third UI to serve the market niche of people who want colour e-readers.



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superchunk said:
richardhutnik said:

In a prior post, I had asked why to get a 3DS or Vita instead of a tablet.  My list of wants seemed to make it clear a tablet would be best though, but I posted to see if I was wrong.  It consisted of lugging PDFs with my game rules around, Web access for info and YouTube (and a few games).  Maybe some game development thrown in.  So, I sprung for a sub $100 tablet at Toys R Us.  Thing isn't perfect, but does the job.  I can use my DSi stylis with it also.  So, all and all I am happy on the whole.  Is it top of the line?  No it isn't.  The model is pretty mediocre, but I am happy for my limited use.  Still will look to get a 3DS/Vita sometime, but now they wait.  

I can't seem to find the prior post, so I posted a new one here.

Which one did you get and are you techie enough to root and rom that bastard?

If so, you could probably slap Android 4 (Ice Cream Sandwich) on it and have a device that is comparable to anything on the market, speaking strictly from an OS point of view. You'll still have lower quality screen/touch/other hardware based features. But, software wise, you'll have everything you could possibly want.

Check out xda-forums or rootzwiki for your model. 

There is a Sylvania model they have on clearance at Toys R Us for $90 now, until early June.  It has a 7" screen.  it does what I need.  I could muck with it if I wanted, but it is working now, so I will just have it do the basics for me.   I could look to throw more memory in it, and get it a maybe a cover.  But now, best to not muck with it.   Again, it does the job, so I am set.  Sometimes, best to just let things be.  It is said that as people get older they are less up for change.  You begin to realize not all change is good, and you can make things worse.



greenmedic88 said:

Multi-tasking hasn't been absent on iOS since iOS 3.0. I don't know if you're confused, or if I am here. A double tap on the Home button pulls up all apps currently running on the iPad allowing a quick touch on the app the user wishes to resume work on. Apps that are continually running continue to run in the background until the user switches back. If anything, my complaint would be that the user has to unintuitively close any background apps or the list of background running apps will grow to comedic proportions while eating memory, computing cycles and battery power. 

The multi-tasking used in iOS (and WP) isn't the same as PC. For most applications, when they are closed it goes into sleep state which is resumed when re-clicked. This is done in order to save battery life. Some applications do have special APIs that let them run in the background even when closed, in Apple's case only their applications had this option, but it was added in 3.0 for third parties. The double tap Home shows your recently opened apps.



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famousringo said:
couple more points:

The "VGChartz Buddy" is not Flash. It's javascript. There's no reason the iPad can't load it. Plenty of other web sites have chosen to display similar floating menus to mobile Safari. I would guess that VGC chose not to in order to make this site a little less bloated for mobile devices. Since the graphing feature has been removed from VGC, the only Flash on this site is in the ads.

Second, I doubt we'll ever see a 7" iPad. A UI designed for iPhone would blow up too big and a UI designed for iPad would shrink down too small. I don't think Apple will ask developers to make a third UI to serve the market niche of people who want colour e-readers.

All the engineers have to do is use the same iPad 2 resolution of 1024x768, maintaining the same UI proportions, only displaying at a tighter dot pitch in a proportionally smaller area.

Personally I don't really care if Apple releases such a device and it would deviate from their business model of selling all products at a profit over production cost. If measured by consumer demand for inexpensive 7" iPads, fine, but it seems like the point of said device would be just as much to squeeze out even more market share by competing directly with $200-300 7" tablets which seems unnecessary.



TomaTito said:
greenmedic88 said:

Multi-tasking hasn't been absent on iOS since iOS 3.0. I don't know if you're confused, or if I am here. A double tap on the Home button pulls up all apps currently running on the iPad allowing a quick touch on the app the user wishes to resume work on. Apps that are continually running continue to run in the background until the user switches back. If anything, my complaint would be that the user has to unintuitively close any background apps or the list of background running apps will grow to comedic proportions while eating memory, computing cycles and battery power. 

The multi-tasking used in iOS (and WP) isn't the same as PC. For most applications, when they are closed it goes into sleep state which is resumed when re-clicked. This is done in order to save battery life. Some applications do have special APIs that let them run in the background even when closed, in Apple's case only their applications had this option, but it was added in 3.0 for third parties. The double tap Home shows your recently opened apps.

I don't think anyone was under the impression that iOS multitasks the same way as OSx or Windows. The point was that it does multitask within the memory constraints of a tablet. These same memory restrictions exist for any Android tablet, even though it manages tasks differently. The downside of the Android approach is that without manual control of a task manager, power management takes an unnecessary hit for all apps that don't need to run in the background, which is the majority of all tablet apps.

According to the several articles I read, there is no need to close any apps in iOS 5.1, contrary to what the typical Apple Genius is telling customers. I'll put that to test by not closing anything over the next week, even if it means having dozens of "recently run apps" in the pull up menu.

The memory stat utility in Desktop contradicts the claims though, meaning manually closing apps in the "recently run apps" menu does in fact free up memory.



man-bear-pig said:
Euphoria14 said:
^ Not everyone finds it to be worth $600-$800 though.


It is worth about £5,000 to me. It does EVERYTHING and it never leaves my side. Everyone I know who has an iPad is the same, they never leave it down, and it provides them with countless hours of music, movies, internet surfing, easy access to emails, apps to suit your every imaginable need...and everything else. 


Do you take it to the bathroom with you,when you have to take a whizz? Do you shower with it? lol



oldschoolfool said:
man-bear-pig said:
Euphoria14 said:
^ Not everyone finds it to be worth $600-$800 though.


It is worth about £5,000 to me. It does EVERYTHING and it never leaves my side. Everyone I know who has an iPad is the same, they never leave it down, and it provides them with countless hours of music, movies, internet surfing, easy access to emails, apps to suit your every imaginable need...and everything else. 


Do you take it to the bathroom with you,when you have to take a whizz? Do you shower with it? lol

Yes, there is a toilet app which fulfils all of my toilet and showering needs.



Too bad, ipad is worth the money, and i used to be one of the people screaming its just a big iphone, Worth every penny.



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