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curl-6 said:

Gee, how surprising to see a bunch of evangelical psychos trying to dictate how other people live their lives.

Apparently this group bullied K-Mart into no longer selling a popular sex ed book here in Australia too, yet backed the film Cuties which has underage kids doing sexual dances on camera.

Their head also apparently has a long history threatening to sue anyone from bloggers to VICE who criticises her.

If you're in the US, there is a bill that address this kind of thing; call/write to your representatives about it if you want to fight this crap: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401

There is also a petition you can sign: https://www.change.org/p/tell-mastercard-visa-activist-groups-stop-controlling-what-we-can-watch-read-or-play

Sex ed is the single best way to prevent/stop child abuse, never trust someone who is against sex ed.



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This has made me look into two things: Klarnas position on sexually explicit content (not banned, but restricted and to be approved on a case by case basis. Other things on that list include such broad categories as ‚Art‘, ‚charities‘, ‚digital downloads‘, ‚in-game purchases‘ and as specific as ‚Airline Tickets‘, ‚tobacco‘ and ‚alcohol‘) and how to set up your own international payment processor (It‘s hard, you need lots of money).

Either someone has to establish an alternative payment processor that isn’t subjected to these pressures from religious nutjobs, or legislation for payment neutrality has to be passed. We cannot have giant banks censoring art, however distasteful you might personally find it.



shavenferret said:
Hiku said:

They've already done this to various media retailers in Japan, if even part of their catalogue includes adult content. Not even porn. Just sexy content is enough for them to have these discussions with various companies.
Although in those cases, they stopped working with Visa and Mastercard, rather than remove some of their products.

Pretty weird seeing them apply some morality to money that is not theirs.
I'd be sympathetic if it was illegal content, but this gives off the vibes of your local pastor making the transactions for you.

In Japan?  Where Christians aren't common?  Huh..... very surprising.  

It maybe happening in Japan but the morals are coming from US companies and most likely as a reaction too western conservatives regarding certain types of manga and anime sold in stores there.



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Well, that didn't take long; they're already shadow-banning LGBT+ content: https://www.enworld.org/threads/itch-io-is-shadowbanning-or-deleting-nsfw-and-lgbtq-content.714500/

How long until just having a gay character or a consensual sex scene is enough to have a game banned?

Collective shout have already tried to ban GTA5 and Detroit: Become Human; what's next?  Baldur's Gate 3? The Last of Us? Bayonetta? Stellar Blade?

The slippery slope is slipping fast.



curl-6 said:

Well, that didn't take long; they're already shadow-banning LGBT+ content: https://www.enworld.org/threads/itch-io-is-shadowbanning-or-deleting-nsfw-and-lgbtq-content.714500/

How long until just having a gay character or a consensual sex scene is enough to have a game banned?

Collective shout have already tried to ban GTA5 and Detroit: Become Human; what's next?  Baldur's Gate 3? The Last of Us? Bayonetta? Stellar Blade?

The slippery slope is slipping fast.

Yeah, thats the problem. The law is a clear line in the sand, but other moral outrage is usually badly defined. If Collective Shout thinks that some games are inacceptable they should try to convice law makers to change the law. But this pressuring over payment processors ends up with ridiculous overreach, as everyone disagrees what is morally OK and in the end the ones that need the money ban all content that someone might find questionable.

To compare Collective Shout with Stop Killing Games: SKG intends to influence law makers and change the law. They didn't go after Visa and Mastercard to pressure game companies.



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Mar1217 said:

The rule seems so vague in application that it basically means they either don't mean to really use it or to reserve their rights to basically ban anything they could deem inappropriate in any case.

This is my issue with all of this.

I agree with removing insest, rape and CP games.  But the law should be crystal clear.



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Visa and MasterCard need to be broken up. Period. That two corporations control something so essential to the economy and are willing to use the leverage that comes with the position of being part of an oligopoly is beyond ridiculous. At the absolute bare minimum, there needs to be real, meaningful, enforceable regulations telling them that they must accept payments being done at any legitimate business (i.e., some entity with a business license, so anyone from a multinational corporation to some local mom & pop establishment), regardless of the company's personal opinions.



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This should be the most important issue of the day. There are groups against EVERYTHING. It could end in a landslide of blockages right down to products that are relatively inane stuff like after market car products cause they are tied to street racing culture. Hopefully if that is the case, it'll make space for new payment processors to gain traction and hopefully those aren't bought up into the monopoly nor fuck people over like the new start up banks.



only777 said:
Mar1217 said:

The rule seems so vague in application that it basically means they either don't mean to really use it or to reserve their rights to basically ban anything they could deem inappropriate in any case.

This is my issue with all of this.

I agree with removing insest, rape and CP games.  But the law should be crystal clear.

I agree with removing violent content. Violence has no place in civilized societies.



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