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KLXVER said:

Why is it always Nintendo? I mean people can barely emulate PS2 and Xbox games, but GC, Wii, WiiU and Switch is no problem. Its just a bit weird.

That is wildly inaccurate regarding Sony platforms, as it has been said (though they are harder to emulate), but Xbox consoles in fact never did attract much attention from the emulation scene, mainly because most of their games have always been PC multiplatform.

(Which is a shame, because there are games like Lost Odyssey, Panzer Dragoon Saga, the Gears games, that, to be fair, can be bought and run on a Series S/X, but that's not ideal for preservation).



 

 

 

 

 

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haxxiy said:
KLXVER said:

Why is it always Nintendo? I mean people can barely emulate PS2 and Xbox games, but GC, Wii, WiiU and Switch is no problem. Its just a bit weird.

That is wildly inaccurate regarding Sony platforms, as it has been said (though they are harder to emulate), but Xbox consoles in fact never did attract much attention from the emulation scene, mainly because most of their games have always been PC multiplatform.

(Which is a shame, because there are games like Lost Odyssey, Panzer Dragoon Saga, the Gears games, that, to be fair, can be bought and run on a Series S/X, but that's not ideal for preservation).

Fair enough. Im not really into the emulating scene except for MAME, but I hear about Nintendo consoles being emulated all the time and never hear about Playstation or Xbox consoles.



HoloDust said:

Hm...let's see, for something that is considered low spec PC these days - 5600X as CPU is some 9-10x that of Switch 2 CPU docked single core, and some 6-7x multicore, and RTX 3060 12GB is some 4-4.5x of Switch 2 GPU docked - so, I guess it boils done to how different SW2 API is to SW1.

Alot of pc's out there are capable of it..... it just need some people working on it, chipping away the problem that is getting emulation to run.
The thing is Nintendo Ninja's are scary as f***, and will sue you, or drown you in cases, even if your supposedly in the right, to work on such a project.

I don't think Switch 2 emulation will be out there as fast as Switch's was.



JRPGfan said:
HoloDust said:

Hm...let's see, for something that is considered low spec PC these days - 5600X as CPU is some 9-10x that of Switch 2 CPU docked single core, and some 6-7x multicore, and RTX 3060 12GB is some 4-4.5x of Switch 2 GPU docked - so, I guess it boils done to how different SW2 API is to SW1.

Alot of pc's out there are capable of it..... it just need some people working on it, chipping away the problem that is getting emulation to run.
The thing is Nintendo Ninja's are scary as f***, and will sue you, or drown you in cases, even if your supposedly in the right, to work on such a project.

I don't think Switch 2 emulation will be out there as fast as Switch's was.

There was also litteraly a way to jailbreak the thing with a clip on release, so it goes to say, they ain't looking to reproduce a similar scenario. 



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KLXVER said:

Why is it always Nintendo? I mean people can barely emulate PS2 and Xbox games, but GC, Wii, WiiU and Switch is no problem. Its just a bit weird.

Barely?

The PS1 and PS2 emulators are some of the best emulators out there.

Xbox doesnt have much traction because most of the games are playable on other platforms in a way and there hasnt been as much interest in Xbox emulation as other consoles.



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JRPGfan said:
HoloDust said:

Hm...let's see, for something that is considered low spec PC these days - 5600X as CPU is some 9-10x that of Switch 2 CPU docked single core, and some 6-7x multicore, and RTX 3060 12GB is some 4-4.5x of Switch 2 GPU docked - so, I guess it boils done to how different SW2 API is to SW1.

Alot of pc's out there are capable of it..... it just need some people working on it, chipping away the problem that is getting emulation to run.
The thing is Nintendo Ninja's are scary as f***, and will sue you, or drown you in cases, even if your supposedly in the right, to work on such a project.

I don't think Switch 2 emulation will be out there as fast as Switch's was.

I'm not sure they sued the guy behind Ryujinx or that, although he was "offered an agreement", it was an "offer he can't refuse", at least not in that sense. IIRC he's Brazilian, and, if I'm informed correctly, Nintendo would stand very little chance in Brazilian court. I think it was more likely he was offered some sort of compensation, unlike with Yuzu, where they had the case.

Not that it mattered much - community just took over both Yuzu and Ryujinx forks and kept on going, they are both alive and kicking, so I don't think there is lack of poeple who are capable and willing to do it, it will probably have more to do with how different SW2 API is compared to SW1.



KLXVER said:
haxxiy said:

That is wildly inaccurate regarding Sony platforms, as it has been said (though they are harder to emulate), but Xbox consoles in fact never did attract much attention from the emulation scene, mainly because most of their games have always been PC multiplatform.

(Which is a shame, because there are games like Lost Odyssey, Panzer Dragoon Saga, the Gears games, that, to be fair, can be bought and run on a Series S/X, but that's not ideal for preservation).

Fair enough. Im not really into the emulating scene except for MAME, but I hear about Nintendo consoles being emulated all the time and never hear about Playstation or Xbox consoles.

I would agree with you I do think Nintendo emulation is a bigger thing really because Nintendo hardware is so weak typically for its price point so it gets emulated sooner and people can emulate newer games. You can emulate a PS2 but you can also pick up the console and games dirt cheap, same with xbox. I've seen games just released on Switch get emulated and often running at 4K 60fps looking so superior to original Nintendo hardware. It's a rare situation. The Switch 2 is great but its a hybrid console so even docked isn't that amazing. I guess the last Nintendo console that had competitive performance for its time was the Gamecube. I remember how my jaw dropped when I played Roque Squadron on it. It felt like a game that even the Xbox couldn't do (although it probably could have done if done by the same highly skilled developer). Zelda Windwaker still looks amazing on Gamecube, yes that is the fantastic art style of the game more than anything but still hugely impressive and no doubt Nintendo will be regurgitating that for Switch 2 owners.



Will it be a problem this generation too? Judging by the sales of the Switch I don't think it was really a problem last generation.

The Switch 2 will almost certainly be hacked like the previous Nintendo consoles. DS, Wii, 3DS, WiiU and Switch have all been exploitable with soft mods and/or flash carts and I don't see that trend being broken. Though emulation probably won't get into a good state for playing till roughly 3 years after launch. I imagine Switch 2 piracy will be a thing by early 2027.



Zippy6 said:

Will it be a problem this generation too? Judging by the sales of the Switch I don't think it was really a problem last generation.

The Switch 2 will almost certainly be hacked like the previous Nintendo consoles. DS, Wii, 3DS, WiiU and Switch have all been exploitable with soft mods and/or flash carts and I don't see that trend being broken. Though emulation probably won't get into a good state for playing till roughly 3 years after launch. I imagine Switch 2 piracy will be a thing by early 2027.

Yes it's hard to know if lack of emulation would have increased or even decreased sales. Maybe the fact so many were playing emulated games made Switch games more popular and talked about and kept them relevant to consumers. I'm sure Nintendo are convinced emulation damaged their sales but maybe that isn't true. 

Emulation is slightly different to running pirate games on original console hardware. I think its fair to say the Dreamcast had an early death due to piracy being so easy. I've no idea how easy it is to run pirate games on a actual Nintendo Switch.



Nintendo will continue to have this problem so long as they continue to develop hardware that runs games as well as a 10 year old potato.