Clearly not enough people do though, if we look at Xbox Series sales. 

You may find it "tired" but it's the truth. What's tired is their repeated promises that they'll do better, only to continue to under-deliver.

Whether they decide to release a new Xbox or not will make no difference if their first party output remains weak. At this point, they're probably better off doing what Sony did with the PS3 and trying to ride it out and regain their audience's trust instead of risking pissing off the few who did stick with them by cutting the Series short.

Who in this thread is disagreeing with you? Lol. That's why it's tired. Once again, they had a solid year in game releases this year. They have a nice lineup of games already lined up for next year. Their lineup being weak is a personal opinion, not a fact. Ps5 was selling this year even when they had no big 1st party games until Spiderman 2. Xbox had more consistent releases all year. At the end of the day, ps5 is able to sell huge numbers off brand power alone, while Xbox doesn't have that luxury. Expect Xbox to match this is simply unrealistic. 

Xbox could ride it out. Is releasing in 2026 vs 2027 really going to make a difference in regaining trust? As long as Xbox has consistent releases between now and then, this is more important. 

Was it really solid? It's better than 2022 but Redfall, Starfield and Forza Motorsport all missing the mark to varying degrees brings thing down by so much that I'd argue it wasn't that much better. They need to be consistent in both quantity and quality if they want the brand to recover. 

Its all opinion based, but I don't see how most games averaging in the 80 range isn't solid. To me, solid means good or even great at times, but not amazing. Xbox 1st party console exclusives: HifiRush (87), Starfield (83), Forza (84), Age of Empires 4 for console(83), Age of Empires 2:DE for console (84), Redfall (56). 

Multiplat games from Xbox: Minecraft Legends (71), Quake 2 Enhanced (90), GoldenEye remaster (83). Throw in big updates like; Sea of Thieves Return to Monkey Island, Halo Infinite seasons, Forza Horizon 5 added content, and more. I consider it a solid year from Xbox, with Redfall being the only dud. If Sony or Nintendo saw similar scores for their games, I find it hard to believe people would say anything less than good. 

Its all opinion based, but I don't see how most games averaging in the 80 range isn't solid. To me, solid means good or even great at times, but not amazing. Xbox 1st party console exclusives: HifiRush (87), Starfield (83), Forza (84), Age of Empires 4 for console(83), Age of Empires 2:DE for console (84), Redfall (56). 

Multiplat games from Xbox: Minecraft Legends (71), Quake 2 Enhanced (90), GoldenEye remaster (83). Throw in big updates like; Sea of Thieves Return to Monkey Island, Halo Infinite seasons, Forza Horizon 5 added content, and more. I consider it a solid year from Xbox, with Redfall being the only dud. If Sony or Nintendo saw similar scores for their games, I find it hard to believe people would say anything less than good. 

You're not taking audience reception into account though and that matters more. Forza and Starfield are both sitting at mostly negative recent reviews on Steam right now with the former being mostly negative with all of them. I'd for sure consider Forza Motorsport a dud based on the audience reception and would even consider Starfield that at this point at least somewhat with how increasingly negative its reception has got in the past couple months. The biggest Xbox release since 2021 becoming a bit of a punching bag is rough for the brand. There was good stuff this year like Hi-Fi Rush but Starfield being received the way it has overshadows that with how big a title it is and how much hype it had.

The Forza thing surprises me. It won a couple awards at the game show - so I thought it was doing well.  Then I read on another site a thread about things xbox needs to fix and I saw at least 5 people talking about Forza.

So I just looked it up on steam and wow it's sitting at mostly negative. Both recent and All reviews.

So their three most recently released games (Redfall, Forza, Starfield) are all sitting on mostly negative.

So the game shadow-released is cult favorite, and the three games with any advertising are bombing with fans on steam. There is something to learn from that.

I think these reviews are skewed by retaliation for puchasing Activision. Redfall may be bad (I don't really know), but While Starfield doesn't blow me away it definitely isn't a bad game that deserves these bad scores. There are far more shittier games in the AAA area, especially considering Starfield is free of Microtransactions. And I don't know much about Forza, but all points to a competent racing games wihtout much to complain about. At least for Starfield the recent ratings are worse than the one at release - even though arguably some stuff now is fixed and the game is better. So yeah, I call bullshit on these reviews. These are angry fanboys that can't take the Activision acquisition.

Why would the people that buy the games on steam care who bought the company when they still buy the games on steam.  Plus the reviews are fairly easy to check. You can check if they bought it, how long they played it etc.

So none steam users are buying the game and playing it so they can review bomb it?