Well... that was a hell of a read.

I get the guy's original point that "I also think Switch will be more closer to the DS'2.8M than 3DS'3.3M at the end." is an overly pessimistic prediction, but I do not understand why having a pessimistic prediction is such a big issue, to the point of name calling and accusations.

At the time he made the prediction and had to choose a system to compare one that had 2.8M (that he expected switch to outsell on his 3-3.5M) made more sense than using a system that sold let's say 4M (because the center of his target 3.25 was closer to 2.8M than to 4M).

I saw some "pessimistic" predictions of Extreme for PS and that doesn't make him a PS hater or a liar.

I like Xbox, I like Playstaion. I can't say I am as big fan for the Nintendo systems as I am as for Xbox or PS. However I don't hate them or have some bad feelings for them. In fact I find Switch interesting system. Maybe even the most interesting Nintendo system for me personally. However what I like the most does not have anything to do with the sales projections I make. It simply has to do about the data we have at the time I am writing my predictions and also it has to do with the history of the other console's trajectory too. Of course Switch is different. That is what make it even more interesting to predict. And 3m to 3.5M range or even 3M if you want isn't a pessimistic prediction when you have 2022 year of 4.7M and when you are entering your 7th year on the market, knowing how the previous consoles performs in this point in their life. Decline from 4.7M to (3 to 3.5M) isn't enormous and it's about right for console declining every year by about the same percentage worldwide. It becomes pessimistic in comparison to what really happened after you have all the data for the entire year. 3M to 4M is pessimistic. However in the time I made it it wasn't pessimistic it was just normal cuz many systems in their 7th year drops even much more than 4.7M to the range of 3 to 3.5M. See DS, see Wii. If I wanted to really be pessimistic (at the moment of me doing the prediction, I could say 2M for example or if we have to equal the DS drop, then even 1.5M maybe. It is after the data we have after the year's over when it becomes pessimistic, because Switch had better year than normal console should have in it's 7th year and better weeks before the holidays than many of you expected too. Even if we have to ask everyone from those projectin 4 or 4.5M even they will tell that probably they expected a little bit weaker year of the months before november, and then the boost for the holidays which would put Switch to their 4 or 4.5M projections.

Also why if I want to sell the Switch sale badly (like @curl-6 says) or this alt. or my predictions are pessimistic every time, why I made the 25M projection for 2021 for Switch which even ended highball in the end (Switch finished with 24M), and why I gave range of 12 to 16M for worldwide for this year for the system (which Switch is looking like it will finish just in the middle of that) if I wanted to give pessimistic prediction or the Switch to sell badly ? Why I didn't gave 20M for 2021 or didn't gave 10M at max for this year for WW sales ? Why I didn't gave 2M for japan ? Why I am not giving the Switch 5M for next (calendar) year, instead I am giving around 10M If I want to make pessimistic predictions? And why the famous 15M to 18M prediction range for 2022 (if stock issues were not there for PS and xbox, however they ended being their, which imo resultet in a few milions more for Switch and a few milions lower for PS/XB) ended way closer (1M off) than many many people here projections were in the start of that year (20-23/24M) in the end ? And Why then it was even bigger fire of discussion about that, and everyone jumped on me, but when the year ended with 19M (much lower than anyone of the posters expected) no one called them out instead I was again the bad one ? (even though my projection was much closer to the reality than theirs, even without counting the "if" condition I put) ?

But even though I like PS and Xbox a little more than Nintendo, I am not highballing them when I make predictions for them too. I've made opinions on PS or xbox too that have ended on the low side too. I've made only 1 prediction about PS4 that was on the high side and it was because I (as many others) expected SONY to better handle the system after PS5 launch (and even 2019 and 2020) and allow the system to at least reach 130M. (or if the prices reached PS2 levels and Sony maintain the system as PS2 even reaching not that far from that system too). I can't remember having positive than normal projections for either PS5 or XBOX Series (or even XB1).

I want everyone who is agreeing with @Phenomajp13 or even some of comments @curl-6 made for me to answer on every question of this post here. Let's see how am I pessimistic always or how I want the Switch to sell badly based on the things I've written here ? Common I dare you.

Farsala, again this isn't about bad predictions. This is about his behavior after the bad predictions. I don't care about how people high balled Switch, bad predictions happen. Also, that certainly wasn't your prediction before the year. You are on record lowballing Switch in Rol's thread about Switch reaching 160 million. So don't sit here and act like you aren't similar to Xtreme in being overly pessitic towards Switch. You also have an hilarious excuse in one of your post because you are clearly going to be wrong about it's lifetime sales, you stated how you are wrong only because Nintendo held on to Switch longer. No one called you out about your predictions in either case because you didn't act like how you were right all along. That's why I through words at him like liar and dishonest. Being a bad predictor or overly pessitimistic doesn't make you a liar. Lying about it does, that's what he did. Being a fellow Sony fan doesn't mean you need to defend him like DonFerrari is bending over backwards to do.

You are so hell bent on defending your fellow Sony fan, you don't even bother to comprehend what im saying to him. I don't care about his bad predictions, I, Curl, and likely several others noticed the lying. 

You get my original point because you know how to read and see what he said. This has never been about his bad predictions, that's what his fellow Sony fans want to spin this to be about. They will not acknowledge the dishonesty, its in this very thread and called out by Curl. He knows what he originally said and was dishonest about it. Its not about him being wrong, several people were wrong. No one said anything to them, because its about his behavior after being wrong. That's not name calling or accusations, I literally pointed out the clear dishonesty. Imagine living in a world where someone can murder another human but the people that get locked up are the ones that call them a murderer? I shouldn't be banned for calling someone a liar, after they lie. That's the exact opposite of how this world operates. I can show you several instances in this world where just an accusation will atleast get you arrested and questioned, right or wrong. It's not name calling or accusations, if there is clear evidence. He acted like those were his expectations all along, knowing damn well what he said in April. 

That's nice, doesn't change what he said. He said in April he expects to be closer to the 2.8 million and then in November appartantly he was right about the 4 million all along. That's the very definition of being dishonest. 

Nice rant, regardless you know what you origninally said and when you were clearly going to be wrong, you acted like this was your expectation all along. That's what Curl said. Farsala on the other hand made a 130 million lifetime prediction about Switch in Rol's 160 million thread and admitted he was wrong. Obviously he has adjusted his prediction just like you would or anyone else. The difference is, Farsala didn't tell us how he was right all along after making several post otherwise. That's the difference, this isn't about your predictions. Why would I care about your consistent undershooting? It's the dishonestly afterward, that can clearly be pointed out. I still haven't found a single post during spring about you changing your prediction to 4 million? Yet I could easily find your post in April about closer to the 2.8 million? Isn't that odd? You understand that's the very definition of being dishonest right? Saying you did something, knowing you didn't.

Again, what is my behaviour after I see I am wrong ? I say I am wrong. What there is to lie about ? Even here in some of my previous posts I confirmed I've changed my prediction. If you need to change your prediction it's logical that you are confirming your original prediction is wrong. So changing my prediction with or without saying exactly the sentence " I was wrong " is the same as saying it. And I already said it. Where is the lying or dishonesty ? Where is the " pretending to be right all the way " Where ? I don't see it. I said to curl that I've changed the prediction. This literally means that I saw my original prediction is going to be wrong and I adjust it. That's it. Where you see dishonesty and lies ? You are blind obviosly or see only what you want to see. I have said I am right only about the things I am right. For the prediction of the 4M in Japan for Switch I may have said I am right only about it. Not the original prediction I did, which again I confirmed already was wrong. No dishonesty, no lies. You are making things of air here.

Also @curl-6 was calling me out for entirely different thing, Don't mistake one with other. He was just pointing out that I've made pessimistic predictions about the Switch, based on 1 or 2 predictions, however as I wrote in my previous post, it's not about pessimistic, but realistic. I have made high even more optimistic predictions that it ended as well (2021 for example). He is not calling me out to accuse me like you or call me a liar or dishonest.

In April I have said that imo Switch will finish closer to 3M. It didn't and I have stated already I was wrong. So no, I am not saying I didn't. I did. No dishonesty no lies. You are making everything from air here. Just to accuse and point against the person.

And the problem is all yours that you can't find my posts where I am writing that my prediction becomes 4M. As I said earlier, I am not proving myself to some anonymous troll on the web. Think what you want. As you can clearly see, the people here don't agree with you and don't accept your viewpoint. So you are just losing your time writing.

Dude, in your post that was quoted by Curl, you literally said that prediction was made earlier in the year. You then told Curl how in spring you changed your prediction to 4 million, never mentioning you reiterated your prediction also in spring (April is spring) that it would be closer to the 2.8 million. So which is it? You tried to make it seem like that was just your preliminary prediction before the year began was the 3 to 3.5 million, when in actuality you were still hoping for the 2.8 million or as late as April. That's the inconsistency. You don't have to find it, you are probably making it up. You likely never said it until Zelda destroyed your prediction, but regardless you acted like your prediction was made before the year started but left out you reiterated your prediction in April. That's what I am calling dishonest. 

I am not obliged to everytime mention my original prediction when I made change to it, because if someone is interested he can go back and search my old posts and see what my original prediction was. Not mentioning something does not mean dishonest or lying. And again I already confirmed that I was wrong and changing my prediction earlier also confirms it. No need to discuss it any further. Also I will not go and search exactly on which day I have wrote my first post about adjusting my prediction. Spring can be march, can be april, can be may. It is also different seasons in different places in the world. However the thing is I adjusted my prediction somewhere around Spring. What is the difference exactly when it was ? There is no dishonesty or lies about changing the prediction nor there is in calling spring when you may did it in may or march. I don't need to go back and to point the exact day of it so I don't get called liar or dishonest from anonymous troll who even fear to say which olds accounts were he writing from. And " you are probably making it up " or " likely never said " is a pure speculation. I can speculate all about your or someone else how much I want. This does not make the things facts or true. So speak with facts no speculations. Zelda didn't destroy my predictions, don't make like I predicted 1M and it sold 5M. It doesnt' matter when my prediction was made and when it started. My original prediction was wrong and I said it and confirmed it already just for you several times, there is no lies or dishonesty. And I've already confirmed it back when I adjusted my prediction to 4M (cuz it's logical when you are adjusting something there is a reason to it, therefore the original one is wrong)

Brevity isn’t everyone’s forte apparently

I predicted 3.5m at the beginning of the year. Which might seem low and overly pessimistic now, but it was similar to most other predictors and nobody predicted ~4m or above. So in contrast I think my prediction was very much standard, neither pessimistic or optimistic.

I definitely predicted Switch wouldn't reach 160m, and still stand by that. I don't see it as pessimistic. I see any prediction of 160m or more as optimistic though.

I don't know if Xtreme lies about his predictions, but best way to prove he does is to link the posts. I don't defend him, I defend good predictions.

And I am not a Sony fan, I play MS and Nintendo games far more than Sony games. Sony comes out with a good game maybe once every 5 years.