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Sogreblute said:
Drakrami said:

PS plus have almost double the subrcribers of GamePass. I think they are doing ok. 

As for japanese developers being pushed away, who? The well known japanese games like Resident Evil, Monster Hunter, Koei, Tales of, Square Enix rpgs, Persona, From Software all seems to have a good relationship to Sony or even exclusive to Playstation. So what you have written is essentially the opposite of reality? 

1. You cannot compare Game Pass to PS+. A better comparison would be Xbox Live Gold and PS+. If PS+ removed the need for online and cloud saves, then you can compare them. PS+ subs would plummet if paid online was removed.

2. IDK if your responding to RolStoppable, but if you are you missed his point. He said Japanese developers would look beyond Playstation, not pushed away. And he's correct, a lot of the big Japanese games you can also find on PC and Xbox. Yes, some of those games you listed used to be PS exclusive, but no more. Resident Evil multiplat, Monster Hunter multiplat, Tales of multiplat, Square Enix games multiplat, Persona multiplat, From Software multiplat. You are no longer tied down to PS consoles and can play on systems you prefer.

1 - Ok, and PS+ have been about 2x what XBL Gold were since the early days of PS4.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:

Is this another one of the threads with "if it doesn't match my taste it is wrong"? Three in a single week and all aimed against Sony. They must be doing something right.

Dual Sense is a great controller. I like they let me choose my own SSD rather than a console branded one at twice the price which MS went with. I like how much quieter PS5 is compared tot he jet engine of PS4. Install times are very short compared to PS4 and I am looking forward to a whole slew of PS5 games. Soul Hackers 2. SD Gundam Battle Alliance. Evil West. GunGrave GORE. Soulstice. Star Ocean. Dusk Diver 2. Starting next month my PS5 is getting fed and I look forward to it as I like playing the PS5 a lot. I hope Sony shows more of Project Eve soon as it looked really interesting. Maybe South Korean Bayo? No idea.

I believe Mark Cerny designed a smarter console than MS did in hardware internals.  Not trying to put down Series X. Just saying despite how ugly PS5 is. It's been a good console in the months I owned it. The BC with PS4 games for me has been flawless. Even playing some really obscure disc games they work fine. I thank Sony for giving out Wild Arms for free to PS+ users who didn't upgrade.  This week been playing Gundam Maxiboost, Replayng The Ascent,Ruiner, Nex Machina and Curved Space.

I love my blue case for it and purple controller plus the SEGA Saturn and Ikaruga stickers on my PS5.

I hope that's positive enough.  Oh and I still love my Vita. Played some Macross Delta Scamble on it the other day.

Last edited by Leynos - on 24 July 2022

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Leynos said:
DonFerrari said:

Is this another one of the threads with "if it doesn't match my taste it is wrong"? Three in a single week and all aimed against Sony. They must be doing something right.

Dual Sense is a great controller. I like they let me choose my own SSD rather than a console branded one at twice the price which MS went with. I like how much quieter PS5 is compared tot he jet engine of PS4. Install times are very short compared to PS4 and I am looking forward to a whole slew of PS5 games. Soul Hackers 2. SD Gundam Battle Alliance. Evil West. GunGrave GORE. Soulstice. Star Ocean. Dusk Diver 2. Starting next month my PS5 is getting fed and I look forward to it as I like playing the PS5 a lot. I hope Sony shows more of project Eve soon as it looked really interesting. Maybe South Korean Bayo? No idea.

I believe mark Cerny designed a smarter console than MS did.  Not trying to put down Series X. Just saying despite how ugly PS5 is. It's been a good console in the months I owned it. The BC with PS4 games for me has been flawless. Even playing some really obscure disc games they work fine. I thank Sony for giving out Wild Arms for free to PS+ users who didn't upgrade.  This week been playing Gundam Maxiboost, Replayng The Ascent,Ruiner, Nex Machina and Curved Space.

I love my blue case for it and purple controller plus the SEGA Saturn and Ikaruga stickers on my PS5.

I hope that's positive enough.  Oh and I still love my Vita. Played some Macross Delta Scamble on it the other day.

From what I remember you weren't the one making a thread of if not what I like it is wrong. Although you are someone that complain about almost any game, from any company on vgc very regularly. Like if it isn't old or obscure it is bad.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Leynos said:

Sony's first-party games are all basically the same to me anymore. Put it in a forest. Make sure it's post-apocalypse and the most basic and bland mechanics. I sometimes joke Sony peaked with Omega Boost but for real, there was a time Sony tried all kinds of new ideas and IPs. 

Sony currently has 18 studios, and your description only covers 3 of part of their outputs. The Last of Us, Horizon and Days Gone. Which Sony Bend is not making another Days Gone. Pretty sure they're making a Syphon Filter spin off.

But Dreams, Returnal, Astrobot, Spiderman, Wolverine, Ghost of Tsushima, MLB The Show, Gran Turismo, none of which are post apocalyptic. 

It's like saying Nintendo's output is all the same, because Mario Kart, Mario + Rabbids, Super Mario Odyssey exist.

Last edited by the-pi-guy - on 24 July 2022

DonFerrari said:
Leynos said:

Dual Sense is a great controller. I like they let me choose my own SSD rather than a console branded one at twice the price which MS went with. I like how much quieter PS5 is compared tot he jet engine of PS4. Install times are very short compared to PS4 and I am looking forward to a whole slew of PS5 games. Soul Hackers 2. SD Gundam Battle Alliance. Evil West. GunGrave GORE. Soulstice. Star Ocean. Dusk Diver 2. Starting next month my PS5 is getting fed and I look forward to it as I like playing the PS5 a lot. I hope Sony shows more of project Eve soon as it looked really interesting. Maybe South Korean Bayo? No idea.

I believe mark Cerny designed a smarter console than MS did.  Not trying to put down Series X. Just saying despite how ugly PS5 is. It's been a good console in the months I owned it. The BC with PS4 games for me has been flawless. Even playing some really obscure disc games they work fine. I thank Sony for giving out Wild Arms for free to PS+ users who didn't upgrade.  This week been playing Gundam Maxiboost, Replayng The Ascent,Ruiner, Nex Machina and Curved Space.

I love my blue case for it and purple controller plus the SEGA Saturn and Ikaruga stickers on my PS5.

I hope that's positive enough.  Oh and I still love my Vita. Played some Macross Delta Scamble on it the other day.

From what I remember you weren't the one making a thread of if not what I like it is wrong. Although you are someone that complain about almost any game, from any company on vgc very regularly. Like if it isn't old or obscure it is bad.

Misconception. The state of the modern industry is in bad shape and AAA games in general are often lacking in innovation,creativity but often mediocre games with high production value and predatory practices. That's been my issue.

If I considered anything old and  obscure good then Double Dungeons would be amazing rofl

Last edited by Leynos - on 24 July 2022

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Leynos said:
DonFerrari said:

From what I remember you weren't the one making a thread of if not what I like it is wrong. Although you are someone that complain about almost any game, from any company on vgc very regularly. Like if it isn't old or obscure it is bad.

Misconception. The state of the modern industry is in bad shape and AAA games in general are often lacking in innovation,creativity but often mediocre games with high production value and predatory practices. That's been my issue.

If I considered anything old and  obscure good then Double Dungeons would be amazing rofl

I didn't say you consider anything old and obscure good, but almost every thread you complain about a current game. My point was that if a game isn't old or obscure you say it is bad, not that being old and obscure make it always good.

Being orfan at 40+ year old is quite sad.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

PullusPardus said:

which one ? Gran Turismo?

You mentioned that Sony will let China expand the market. Chinese devs have massive pockets, they're already buying a lot of Japanese devs, not the other way around. 

PlayStation also has Team Asobi under their belt. 

Ironically, despite Sony shutting down Japan Studios, they salvaged the most promising part. With how they pushed the VR medium, and put on a showcase with the Dualsense, they could very well replace the quirkiness and creativity that Japan Studios brought to the table, but at even higher level of quality, critical success, and commercial appeal. 

You do realize Sony could also purchase a few Chinese developers down the line? I'm not sure how that will deter Sony from expanding the market in China, when that is already happening with the PS5.



Drakrami said:
PullusPardus said:

Oh, I was in the UK when I made this account around ten years ago. 

Yes, I am talking about Playstation as a whole. The future is gamepass-style publishing, similar to how no one buys movies nowadays, because Netflix is more convenient. 

the square one comment I was meaning that they should refocus their attention to making japanese games, not completely abandon them. They're in Microsoft's territory, microsoft has deep pockets, they are buying devs to make more money. Sony is just that japanese dev that tries to be american. 

Microsoft is in Sony's territory you mean. Sony's been the one pumping out AAA single player games the last 2 generations and selling 10s of millions of copies, not Microsoft lol. Microsoft is throwing money trying to catch up. 

What are some of your example of "Japanese games" by the way?? 

Your not even worth that one upvote you have.

Halo, Gears, all that western games MS had at first means nothing?.



zero129 said:
Drakrami said:

Microsoft is in Sony's territory you mean. Sony's been the one pumping out AAA single player games the last 2 generations and selling 10s of millions of copies, not Microsoft lol. Microsoft is throwing money trying to catch up. 

What are some of your example of "Japanese games" by the way?? 

Your not even worth that one upvote you have.

Halo, Gears, all that western games MS had at first means nothing?.

God of War comes before Gears (that wasn't even owned or made by MS). Plus Halo and Gears aren't focused on the SP.

Syphon Filter is a PS1 game that would be an AAA by the time standard. Legend of Dragoon as well.

And if you count Gears than just so much games exclusive to PS would enter since PS1 and 2 that it would be to much to even include.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

IcaroRibeiro said:

Point 2 makes sense, point 1 is correct but doesn't explain why portable gaming is so popular (not only portable consoles, but smartphone gaming as well). Point 3 no longer holds true as Switch games are at the same price as other consoles.

I was tempted to guess aging population means less kids and teenagers play games. With Japanese population being composed of grown ups sometimes commuting to work is the only option for them to play games. Except teenagers and young adults don't have much free time either as they not only spend many hours at school but are also suppose to keep studying at home. 

Maybe the reason why they pick handhelds is because it's a medium that takes a bit more time to evolve due to technological constraints. Think of how much more popular 2D Mario is compared to 3D Mario (which is kinda of a mid tier game sales wise when compared to other Nintendo IPs), gamers in Japan being on average older means they want something they are familiar instead of something that will force them to master something new. 

@Bolded. The Switch is a relatively inexpensive system. Despite costing more than older handhelds, relative to past home consoles it's lower than the launch prices of most other past systems. Also, it packs some serious power in the small package, so you get what you pay for. So, the initial entry cost into the Switch ecosystem isn't too bad.

However, software is a different story. If you look at the tie ratios, the Switch is at only 6.18 games per system in Japan as of March 2022, which is slightly better than past Nintendo consoles but still significantly less than in the West. The Switch's tie ratio in the Americas is 8.79 and in Europe it's 8.62. So, higher software prices are still holding back software sales in Japan, even on systems that do well. Compare that to the U.S., where prices for new games are near all-time lows when adjusted for inflation, which I think has helped keep tie ratios higher.

Also, looking at sites like Amazon Japan and Yodobashi Camera, it seems that Switch games are still a good bit less expensive on average than PS4 & PS5 games.

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