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Forums - Politics Discussion - Shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas (19 Students, 2 Teachers Dead)

sc94597 said:

There is estimated to be about 400-600 million guns in the U.S. The majority of them are probably semi-automatic weapons at this point. That is a gun to person ratio of between 1.2 and 1.8. 

Controlling the supply of guns is just not logistically possible at this point. 

It would be easier to: 

  1. Work on reducing wealth-inequality and eliminate homelessness and poverty. 
  2. Pay to have a school psychiatrist evaluate every student and have free-at-the-point of use mental healthcare for everyone in primary and secondary school (at least, ideally for everyone.) 
  3. Reconstruct social clubs that allow people to form physical connections beyond their family and in which a person is more likely to be de-radicalized or re-adjusted to society. Historically local churches did this, but the U.S population is secularizing. Right now the problem is that young people in the U.S experience what Durkheim called Anomie. This is either because rules are too rigid and alienate them or because there is no normative structure at all. 
  4. Reconstruct the education systems so that students don't feel alienated. See: Ferrer movement and Francisco Ferrer as an ideal model. 
  5. Decriminalize all drugs and other non-violent "crimes." 
  6. Aggressively dox and put maximal social pressure on fascists and other hyper-nationalists. 
  7. #6 but for Incels and other radical misogynists. 

Introducing every point on this list would be easier (and likely have a greater effect on shootings) than reducing the supply of guns in the U.S. Solving these problems would also solve many other social problems in the U.S as well. 

What you have listed is so naive... Seriously, have a school psychiatrist evaluate every student? Then what? The ones with potential problems gets sent somewhere or keep on receiving therapy? That will somehow prevent people from snapping and go on a rampage? People snap all over the world. The USA problem is guns are readily available for the snappers to do mass damage. They like to broadcast it too and brag about the mass damage they are able to cause. 

In denial, putting bandages on instead of curing the problem. 600million guns, so what? If you start now and have some sort of normalcy with guns ownership, that number can be 300million in 10 years. In 20-30 years, may be USA can become a normal country where people aren't getting shot daily. Once you have guns under control, may be then police aren't scared the shit out of every time they inspect someone and police violence will be solved as well. 



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Drakrami said:

What you have listed is so naive... Seriously, have a school psychiatrist evaluate every student? Then what? The ones with potential problems gets sent somewhere or keep on receiving therapy? That will somehow prevent people from snapping and go on a rampage? People snap all over the world. The USA problem is guns are readily available for the snappers to do mass damage. They like to broadcast it too and brag about the mass damage they are able to cause. 

In denial, putting bandages on instead of curing the problem. 600million guns, so what? If you start now and have some sort of normalcy with guns ownership, that number can be 300million in 10 years. In 20-30 years, may be USA can become a normal country where people aren't getting shot daily. Once you have guns under control, may be then police aren't scared the shit out of every time they inspect someone and police violence will be solved as well. 

The idea that people "just snap" is ridiculous. The Buffalo shooter didn't "just snap." He was indoctrinated with white supremacist ideology. The various Incel shooters didn't "just snap." They were indoctrinated with Incel ideology. This shooter likely didn't "just snap" either. You honestly don't think there are any interventions that can be done to break the White-Supremacist and Incel pipelines that exist in the U.S? 

Trying to eliminate 600 million guns, and almost certainly failing is the "bandage rather than cure" solution. Solving the source problems of most shootings: white supremacy, misogyny, organized crime relating to the drug trade, and social alienation are the radical solutions in that they strike the root of the problems. 

Now tell me, how are you going to get rid of enough of the 600 million guns that there would be a significant enough effect on supply so that people who want to commit this violence can't just get a gun in the black market? Will you increase police presence? How will BIPOC people perceive this increased police presence and what would the effect be on our communities? Who would be targeted in the enforcement of these laws? And you are calling my solutions naive? 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 25 May 2022

Kakadu18 said:

Glad my parents decided against moving to the US in the 90s. Gun laws in the US are simply ridiculous.

With all due respect I greatly disagree with that statement.  It implies we have gun laws....  which, for all intents and purposes, we don't.

Non Americans think I am joking, but trout fishing in the mountains requires giving up more personal information than buying a gun.  Getting on an airplane is harder than getting a gun.  Buying a house is harder than getting a gun.  Buying a car is harder than buying a gun.  I could keep the list running, but I think people get the point.  I could drive up the street, hit the local store, and leave with a shotgun and I don't think it would take me more than 15 minutes.    

Of course I could make the process even easier and buy a gun second hand.  

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 25 May 2022

Can the thread title be changed to actually put some respect on the topic



Otter said:

Can the thread title be changed to actually put some respect on the topic

Agreed.

Changed it.

Is this better?

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 25 May 2022

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I don't know which is sadder, the actual shooting or knowing that this will just keep happening over and over because nothing will actually change.





Ryuu96 said:

A 17 year old teenager shooting on 4th graders that's not right :(



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Remember these babies :( adding to what Ryuu96 posted.



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Ryuu96 said:
Otter said:

Can the thread title be changed to actually put some respect on the topic

Agreed.

Changed it.

Is this better?

Thanks