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Phenomajp13 2 days ago
XtremeBG said:
Phenomajp13 said:

Sony gave us an exact number as of March 2012 (155.1 million). PS2 was discontinued after so no doubt it sold more but the issue is the adjustment was made to a figure that was already reported. You are just moving the goalpost as much as possible, 162 to shut everyone up? No one should have anything to say because Sony confirmed the highest possible at 160.6 million. Also lol at Shawn Layden confirmed 160.6 mllion was real? Shawn confirmed it is a produced number or in other words it isnt real but the desperation to protect PS2 is that ingrained. You are literally defending comparing Switch's estimated sellthrough figure according to vgc to PS2's total production figure. That's how nonsense this is and a certain fan base looks mighty sad bending over backwards to defend it.

Stop throwing me personal intentions with every of my comments. I don't have any personal intentions or bias. I said 162 to shut everyone up, not because I want to or look out for something to move the goalpost. I personally believe in the range of 160-160.6M for the PS2. But there will be people who will continue to doubt if Switch ends somewhere in between 160-161.8M. That's why I said 162, in order to no one be able to doubt it.

No reason to stop because its obviously true. You are flatout telling me the 160.6 million confirmed by Sony doesn't somehow eliminate a range speculated by Zhuge? Sony confirmed the upper range of 161.8 million is no longer valid, yet here you are making sure to include it in every discussion all because you claim "some people" lol. Like stop, if you stopped parroting it, then maybe people would forget it was even estimated. That estimate is done now, yet you to keep it alive lol. I ain't no fool xtreme. 



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Farsala 2 days ago
Phenomajp13 said:

Farsala said:

Sony's shipment numbers still match to what they say.

Nintendo's shipment numbers would not match 164m DS.

Likewise nobody would believe Sony if they said 164m PS2, because their shipment numbers never matched up with that.

Now you have flat out resorted to pushing their lie and you would absolutely believe whatever they say because it protects PS2. Sony's numbers do not add up. They reported 155 1 million as of March 2012. They are NOW reporting it as 160 million as of March 2012. Either they purposely underreported before or they are lying now. That is obviously fishy no matter how desperate Sony's white knights want to defend it. I challenge anyone to put together the data that aligns with PS2 hitting 160 million at March 31, 2012. 

Nintendo would only need to do like Sony and just adjust the DS last reported figure of 154 million as of whatever date (can't remember when it was discontinued) up to 164 million for the same date. 

No, I follow shipment data. Sony and Nintendo both provide data to their investors. If they are found out lying, they could be sued.

Sony provided data in March 2012 for 155.1m.

Sony provided data in March 2013 for an unknown amount between 158-162m.

Nintendo provided data for DS in March 2016 for 154m

If Sony or Nintendo said 164m than that would contradict the shipment data.

Sony saying 160m does not contradict that shipment data. Get over it.

There is 0% chance I will ever believe some random user over Sony's or Nintendo's shipment data. Now if only MS provided more shipment data...



Kynes 2 days ago

I reckon that if we accept the amount of 160.6 million as the quantity manufactured, we must take into account that not all units are sold—there are RMA units, store sample units, gifted units... Should we compare the units sold by one manufacturer with the units manufactured by another?



Farsala 2 days ago
Kynes said:

I reckon that if we accept the amount of 160.6 million as the quantity manufactured, we must take into account that not all units are sold—there are RMA units, store sample units, gifted units... Should we compare the units sold by one manufacturer with the units manufactured by another?

Very true. Which is why Sony doesn't give an exact number and only says Over 160m. (sold)

They could have said 160.5m or 160.6m.

They aren't averse to using decimals to raise the numbers slightly.

So there could be 600k that weren't sold to consumers.



Phenomajp13 2 days ago
Farsala said:
Phenomajp13 said:

Farsala said:

Sony's shipment numbers still match to what they say.

Nintendo's shipment numbers would not match 164m DS.

Likewise nobody would believe Sony if they said 164m PS2, because their shipment numbers never matched up with that.

Now you have flat out resorted to pushing their lie and you would absolutely believe whatever they say because it protects PS2. Sony's numbers do not add up. They reported 155 1 million as of March 2012. They are NOW reporting it as 160 million as of March 2012. Either they purposely underreported before or they are lying now. That is obviously fishy no matter how desperate Sony's white knights want to defend it. I challenge anyone to put together the data that aligns with PS2 hitting 160 million at March 31, 2012. 

Nintendo would only need to do like Sony and just adjust the DS last reported figure of 154 million as of whatever date (can't remember when it was discontinued) up to 164 million for the same date. 

No, I follow shipment data. Sony and Nintendo both provide data to their investors. If they are found out lying, they could be sued.

Sony provided data in March 2012 for 155.1m.

Sony provided data in March 2013 for an unknown amount between 158-162m.

Nintendo provided data for DS in March 2016 for 154m

If Sony or Nintendo said 164m than that would contradict the shipment data.

Sony saying 160m does not contradict that shipment data. Get over it.

There is 0% chance I will ever believe some random user over Sony's or Nintendo's shipment data. Now if only MS provided more shipment data...

Lol wow! Sony provided data twice for March 2012. What does the site say now? Sony said 155.1 million first and now it's 160 million as of that same date. We aren't going to just ignore this. This isn't that hard to understand and has nothing to do with random users. This is Sony reporting two different figures for the same date.



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fedfed 2 days ago
killer7 said:
fedfed said:

so even if PS is and we can confirm at 160.6, Switch is

If the Switch would get to 160,6, Sony will rush out and say 160,8. For me 160 million+ is the border when it would be Nr.1. 

It should be possible. I hope Switch makes it.



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killer7 1 day ago
Phenomajp13 said:
XtremeBG said:

It was never 155,000,001, since "over" 155M was till march 2012. And the PS2 was sold for 9 more months. So it's clear the PS2 didn't sell just 1 unit in those 9 months, so Switch breaking 155M shouldn't be considered the most sold console even before 2024, when the announcement of 160M was made. It was always known that for those 9 months at least some 2M have been moved in the worst case scenario.

I am not sure that people are okay with vague terms, it's just what they have. Everyone would want to know the exact numbers, and Sony just go out and say it. As of this moment PS2 official sales are more than 160M yes, but Shawn Layden confirmed the 160.6M is real. So the Switch should manage to sell more than 160.6M. In my previous posts I talked about what Switch needs to sell in order no one can be able to doubt it, that's why I said 162M.

Sony gave us an exact number as of March 2012 (155.1 million). PS2 was discontinued after so no doubt it sold more but the issue is the adjustment was made to a figure that was already reported. You are just moving the goalpost as much as possible, 162 to shut everyone up? No one should have anything to say because Sony confirmed the highest possible at 160.6 million. Also lol at Shawn Layden confirmed 160.6 mllion was real? Shawn confirmed it is a produced number or in other words it isnt real but the desperation to protect PS2 is that ingrained. You are literally defending comparing Switch's estimated sellthrough figure according to vgc to PS2's total production figure. That's how nonsense this is and a certain fan base looks mighty sad bending over backwards to defend it.

Farsala said:

Sony's shipment numbers still match to what they say.

Nintendo's shipment numbers would not match 164m DS.

Likewise nobody would believe Sony if they said 164m PS2, because their shipment numbers never matched up with that.

Now you have flat out resorted to pushing their lie and you would absolutely believe whatever they say because it protects PS2. Sony's numbers do not add up. They reported 155 1 million as of March 2012. They are NOW reporting it as 160 million as of March 2012. Either they purposely underreported before or they are lying now. That is obviously fishy no matter how desperate Sony's white knights want to defend it. I challenge anyone to put together the data that aligns with PS2 hitting 160 million at March 31, 2012. 

Nintendo would only need to do like Sony and just adjust the DS last reported figure of 154 million as of whatever date (can't remember when it was discontinued) up to 164 million for the same date. 

And that was shipped as of March 31,2012! Thats an ice cold fact that stands and cannot be erased! IF Sony said 160 million as of january 13, 2013, maybe we could talk about rounding up but NEVER EVER "more than 160 million SOLD THROUGH" as of MARCH 31, 2012!! Thats moving the goalpost and a cheap lie because Sony knows, Nintendo will surpass that 155 million!! Yes the PS2 has likley more than that but never they sold through 5 million+ PS2 consoles in a time frame of 10 months (April 1- january 13). Also we have a Sony person confirming they where "nearing 160 million units shipped" after they shipped 155,1 million as of march 2012 (AUSGEFOLGT= AUSGELIEFERT= SHIPPED german- english). That was late November, barly over a month before the system was axed. I highly doubt they jumped to 160 million a few weeks later just before axing the thing without telling anyone. PS Fanboy or not please think logical and put 1+1 together!!



killer7 1 day ago
Farsala said:
Phenomajp13 said:

Farsala said:

Sony's shipment numbers still match to what they say.

Nintendo's shipment numbers would not match 164m DS.

Likewise nobody would believe Sony if they said 164m PS2, because their shipment numbers never matched up with that.

Now you have flat out resorted to pushing their lie and you would absolutely believe whatever they say because it protects PS2. Sony's numbers do not add up. They reported 155 1 million as of March 2012. They are NOW reporting it as 160 million as of March 2012. Either they purposely underreported before or they are lying now. That is obviously fishy no matter how desperate Sony's white knights want to defend it. I challenge anyone to put together the data that aligns with PS2 hitting 160 million at March 31, 2012. 

Nintendo would only need to do like Sony and just adjust the DS last reported figure of 154 million as of whatever date (can't remember when it was discontinued) up to 164 million for the same date. 

No, I follow shipment data. Sony and Nintendo both provide data to their investors. If they are found out lying, they could be sued.

Sony provided data in March 2012 for 155.1m.

Sony provided data in March 2013 for an unknown amount between 158-162m.

Nintendo provided data for DS in March 2016 for 154m

If Sony or Nintendo said 164m than that would contradict the shipment data.

Sony saying 160m does not contradict that shipment data. Get over it.

There is 0% chance I will ever believe some random user over Sony's or Nintendo's shipment data. Now if only MS provided more shipment data...

They should get sued! One possibility is that they lied now. They saw Switch comes close and will trounce 155 million so they changed their number to "over 160 million sold through" hoping no one would remember their fiscal report 2011/12 where 155,1 million shipped was confirmed.

Or they where lying to their shareholders, telling them they shipped less than they did. That means they would hide 5 million+ PS2s they shipped back then. More shipped consoles mean more income= more income tax to pay for them. Failing to pay invome tax for 5 million PS2s... thats a huge deal. And this possibility i could exclude. So i think they lied now. 



XtremeBG 1 day ago
Phenomajp13 said:

No reason to stop because its obviously true. You are flatout telling me the 160.6 million confirmed by Sony doesn't somehow eliminate a range speculated by Zhuge? Sony confirmed the upper range of 161.8 million is no longer valid, yet here you are making sure to include it in every discussion all because you claim "some people" lol. Like stop, if you stopped parroting it, then maybe people would forget it was even estimated. That estimate is done now, yet you to keep it alive lol. I ain't no fool xtreme.

First of all, I don't agree with the last sentence you wrote, and I have made my mind about what you are. But I won't say anything on that here, cuz that would be personal attack.

Second, It's not true. I don't have any intentions. I am direct person, if I want to tell something I directly tell it, I don't hide behind something. So I don't have some hidden agenda or intentions as you are trying to picture it.

Third, It is eliminating the range of course, but what I said is, that there will still be some people arguing. Not me, but other people. As far as me goes, Since the PS2 production number is confirmed at 160.6M, and we don't have exact number, for the Switch to outsell PS2, I would look for 160.7M number.

I don't include it in every discussion, I included it in only 1 my previous comment and that one that you quoted. So 2 times. And all I am saying is that there will still be people doubting it. Not that it won't be true surpassing of the PS2. And no, it's not me, I've met this same sentence about " no doubting number " for at least a couple of people, both here, and in other sites and comments, for the whole 2024 year, and this one up till now too. I am keeping nothing alive. If I were I would directly tell it's true and the Switch needs more than 161.8M to outsell PS2. I am not saying this. Make a difference of what is what.

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Fight-the-Streets 1 day ago
Farsala said:
Kynes said:

I reckon that if we accept the amount of 160.6 million as the quantity manufactured, we must take into account that not all units are sold—there are RMA units, store sample units, gifted units... Should we compare the units sold by one manufacturer with the units manufactured by another?

Very true. Which is why Sony doesn't give an exact number and only says Over 160m. (sold)

They could have said 160.5m or 160.6m.

They aren't averse to using decimals to raise the numbers slightly.

So there could be 600k that weren't sold to consumers.

On Sony's 30th Anniversary homepage celebrating PlayStation, they rounded their sales figures to the nearest million:

  • PS1: over 102 million
  • PS2: over 160 million
  • PS3: over 87 million
  • PS4: over 117 million
  • PSP: over 80 million (this figure is incorrect; it should be over 82 million)
  • No mention of PS Vita or PS VR (2) numbers (I wonder why 😉).

Conclusion: The PS2 figure must be below 161 million because, if the PS1 is listed as "over 102 million," they would have said "over 161 million" for the PS2 if it had reached that mark.

Source link: https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/playstation-history/2020-ps5-ps-vr2/

Now, we can debate the difference between produced, shipped, and ultimately sold-through numbers. It’s fair to say that the 160,636,885 figure represents the number of consoles produced (as confirmed by Shawn Layden). The shipped (and sold-through) number is likely closer to 160 million, but below 161 million.

However, this brings up another issue: if 160,636,885 consoles were produced, that would mean only 0.4% weren’t shipped, ending up as promo/demo units, replacement/repair stock, or defective units discarded as waste. 0.4% is WAY too low! For a console with such a long production run and immense success, the percentage of units not shipped should be significantly higher.

This makes me question whether Sony is being completely honest when they use terms like "sold" or "shipped." Are they simply adding all produced units to the total, regardless of what happened to them? We've already discussed this topic in the past, but I still find it worth pondering.