I'd have to somewhat disagree.  In respect to peach fuzz, HFW wins.  But in reality, HFW uses cinematic lighting to show off asset levels that are the same as CP77, but CP77 operates within mostly natural lighting which makes these details far harder to discern (though is more realistic).  In fact, there are definitely points where the cinematic lighting in HFW is overused where it's just there to show off the detail but completely out of sync with the scene.

Sadly, I'm so inundated with reviews (yes, HFW review is in the works!) that I'm not going to take the time right now, but when you zoom in on some of the people's faces in CP77 versus HFW, there is MORE detail in things like the eyes and bump-mapping of how light hits the skin.  For the record, I'm not saying HFW isn't impressive (and running on a meager PS5, even!), but CP77 released beyond the capabilities most people ever saw or knew it was capable of.  In some ways, some of the photos people took in CP77 are still more impressive than what's in HFW, but that's down to the environment and camera's greater freedom than there is in HFW.

visualy what I have seen in those 2 games, I haven't seen surpassed graphically. Though I haven't played returnal or forbidden west.

Regarding martha , can you point me towards footage of something special?

Can't see them either

I can see them. While the lighting looks nice, I was more impressed with the indoor environments from Tlou2. Pre-baked lighting sure, but the rooms also felt more realistic. I can't quite put my hand on it with the shots from Martha. Maybe it's the anisotropic filtering that makes it look a bit off.

The paintings on the wall are too flat and shiny. Not reflective in case they are framed (with glass) which they don't seem to be, yet too flat and shiny for having actual paint on them. The upholstery on the chairs also looks very off.

Tlou2 is much lower resolution though, the brain tends to fill in the missing pieces making it look better than it is






Of course apples / oranges. Major AAA studio on weak hardware, vs small team on whatever you can throw at it.

I see them now. They look beautiful :) 

That game is really good looking... Crazy how these little teams keep smashing it out of the park. Seems to be an independant dev every year or 2 that pops up and shows the big boys how it's done.

It's the uniform glow on the paintings and the far carpet in the hallway that stand out to me (Second picture)
Ambient occlusion is lacking as well but the paintings and carpets aren't smooth like that, they should be scattering the light. At least they do in my house lol.

Real time reflections is definitely the biggest plus from ray tracing, not easily faked. Also very expensive unfortunately, at least to do it in a way where it's not a blocky representation. I forgot what game this was from, but consoles better stick to faking it this gen :/

It's easier to focus on graphics with smaller games that have way less features. I know nothing about Martha, FYI, so it could be a massive AAA game with huge open world filled with hundreds of hours of content for all I know, but if it's just a 5-10 hour high visual experience game then it took a lot less resources to develop than some of those less graphically impressive games did.

Wow, end cross gen support now....