It has a term: Ethnic cleansing. Imagine the response if a bunch of Israeli Jews were put in 2 small open air prisons (called Jewish Territories) and had a frightening malnutrition rate and extreme poverty. We would know what to call it without question. And it would be condemned by the supposed west as well. They stay silent however, cause the Israeli lobby and extreme dominionist Christian forces in the west have been successful in controlling the narrative and allowing governments to let Israel get away with genocide. 

In 1914, there were about 525,000 Muslims living in the Palestine region. Even after the establishment of Israel, over 3 million Jews moved into the country. However could the Israeli population have gotten so large? /s

It's not as if the Palestinian population is declining either. The West Bank and Gaza shot up from about 1 million residents in 1970 to 4.1 million in 2010. Even if you include the 500k to 600k Israeli settlers in the West Bank at the time, the Palestinian population is one of the fastest growing populations in the world.

I do not like Israel. I normally do not talk about politics on VGChartz, but I need to make my opinion clear for what I'm going to say in this post: Israel is a semi-theocratic shithole whose government regularly abuses the people they rule over. They are to be condemned, and sanctioned as is appropriate. However, labeling what they do as genocidal is frankly disrespectful to victims of genocide across the world.

I think it's also disingenuous for people to ignore the fact that many of Israel's neighbors (both Palestinians and others) would do far worse to the Israeli population than what is currently being done to the Palestinians. Or do you really think those people calling for the "destruction of Israel" and to "drive Israel into the sea" plan on doing so in a way that leaves them unharmed?

It's not even as if Israel's track record is purely tyrannical! Back in 2005, they forced all of the Israeli settlers to pull out of the Gaza Strip. That isn't the same as giving independence, but that's still a big step towards improving the welfare of Palestinians living in the area. Guess how long it took Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. That's right, a few hours! Gee, I wonder why Israel is so mistrustful of Palestinians, given that Hamas won the legislative elections a few months later.

TLDR - Fuck Israel, and also Fuck anyone who think that they are the main villains in this story.

How does mistrust in Palestinians justify Israel settlements expansion in the west bank? Literally stealing lands in broad day light. Did Israel want cookies for pulling settlers out Gaza and expand further into the west bank?

I think Islam is a big great threat to any society it infiltrates and taking a look at Islamic society is good evidence, but Israel has been the villain and their actions are way worse than any chants you hear from their neighbours. 

https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/no_more_palestine/

The entire purpose of Islamic Jihad and Hamas is to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. That is the only reason those organizations exist. They deliberately fire thousands of rockets at civilians with the explicit goal of killing as many innocent people as possible, and the only reason the death toll in Israel isn't in the thousands is because they have a missile defense system that shoots down 90% of the rockets and built many bomb shelters for people to run to when rockets inevitably get through. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are so focused on killing that they don't care that hundreds of their own rockets landed in Gaza and killed dozens of their own people. But sure, being stronger automatically makes Israel the bad guy. By this logic the US was the bad guy in World War 2 and Japan the innocent victim since the US was always the stronger of the 2.

Propaganda on both sides have gone so far there are no more objective views on this matter, Both sides are taught from early childhood to distrust if not downright hate the other side. Yet when people put politics aside, they can live perfectly fine with each other, We need more of this https://www.reuters.com/article/idCAKCN1ML26P?edition-redirect=ca instead of the endless provocations from both side.

Islam is a beautiful religion, just like all the others, nothing to fear but the usual suspects abusing religion for political gains. Of course you never hear the positives mentioned, like https://en.mehrnews.com/news/157299/Remembering-Iranian-poet-Parvin-Etesami quite ahead of her time. All change starts with education, yet as long as those in power wish to remain the status quo and control the school curriculum, nothing will change.

I have no horse in this race, but flew over the area while exploring the world in FS2020. It's an open air prison for sure, with many holes underneath.
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/exploring-the-world-in-the-beechcraft-bonanza/266981/141
Very interesting to see how it all relates to each other, but does not present any solutions. WW2 continues on, no end in sight.

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Both sides are pretty shitty but the Israelis should know better than to piss off the other side even more by creating more settlements on their land. It's obvious that moves like these will only cause more Palestinians to radicalize or at the very least make them more supportive towards extremist groups. Completely unnecessary.

First of all, both parties can simultaneously be in the wrong. Israel has done a lot which should be condemned. The same can be said for Hamas. 

Second, the use of force by the United States in Japan is very much not the easy slam dunk metaphor you think it is. There is a lot to criticize in the US' actions during WW2. 

Things rarely boil down to "Good vs Evil" and we need to stop treating complicated international disputes like children's stories. 

Both sides are aggressors... ok

Both sides shitty... ok

Both sides are villains... ok

Both sides have the right to defense and fight back regardless of difference in power ... ok

you can't trust Palestinians.. ok

Ok, fine, cool, agreed, whatever. But why does this need to come up at all when only one side continue to expand in geography? What sort of retaliation is it for the west bank to house over 550k Israelis up from 100k in 20 years? Infusing the west bank with more settlements and creating check points separating Palestinian neighbourhoods preventing them from building anything that resembles an economy or a unified piece of land is an institutionalised effort that's done by one country one country only and it's not a form of retaliation to anything Palestinians do or don't do, it has nothing to do with "trust" or "mistrust", and it's been on going for decades blessed by Israel's biggest ally, be it the cuddly Obama or the monstrous Trump.

On the other hand, you're trying to convince the other side of a two state solution and peace is the way forward when there isn't any land left to build that state on to begin with. All while watching the Judaization of East Jerusalem and well off Americans or Europeans moving into the west bank despite not having stepped foot in the middle east since they were born, yet Palestinians, their parents and their grandparents are left wondering wtf is a 2 state solution. Keeping all that in mind, it becomes fathomable why the despicable Hamas continues to gain support

And no, Islam isn't a beautiful religion, no religion is tbh, it's all nonsense that you should criticise how stupid it is and explain why logically to all different age groups so you avoid stupid conflicts like this one. Yes, humans will still find ways to fight but at least it won't be over fairytales. 

Aaaaand I just linked a video to AlJazeera, I am gonna puke, but I'll have mainstream media to thank for always conflating the right to defense and retaliation with the expansion of illegal settlements.