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mjk45 said:
BraLoD said:

I haven't felt less compelled to get an XBOX than I'm now.
Honestly it has zero appeal whatsoever to me.

NEWSFLASH Phil Spencer had reassembled the team that made LoD and kidnapped bought in Shuey to produce both a remake and LoD2 for series X , but is now saddened to announce that on learning that BraLoD won't be onboard he has cancelled all plans, talking to the media he explained that without BraLoD it had become a financial nightmare since they needed to sell at least 1 copy of each to make a profit and the remake was only being made to cover the $5.00 to buy the IP.

meanwhile Sony while denying the quote "give the bloody millstone away", stated that selling LoD made them business gods and the $5.00 price paid only showed that Sony did not need the money and was in fact them helping prop up MS since it was all MS had left in the bank after buying much lesser brands and nothing more, also in no way was any of this related to the despicable rumour that the production costs were to be met by millions paid to MS to take Shuey off their hands.

Late breaking news .. a handcuffed and blindfolded Shuey has just been found dumped on a Brazilian street corner .  

The funniest part is that if MS was to handle a sequel they would very likely ruin it beyond repair.

I doubt most Sony studios can make it justice nowdays to begin with.

But if they were to buy it from Sony and made something good with it, that would be XB all time peak without a single doubt, so yeah, their console would jump from "no, thanks" to "must buy right now".

I almost got a 360 because of Lost Odyssey just "resembled" LoD battle system...



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JuliusHackebeil said:

I think the "hero-status" of xobox is not unsung at all. As threads like this proof. I see it everywhere, online and with a lot of my friends - everybody seems hyped about xbox right now. But to me, this is soley justified to a certain extent. Like b.c. is super cool to have and game pass is incredible value.
But when it comes to exclusive games, especially first party, i think xbox is almoust the opposite of an unsung hero - they seem to get a free pass with their abysmal output. And I think it is astounding hiw big of a role marketing and announcements play with this.
Sony has their cards close to their chest. We know next to nothing about their releases in 2022 and beyond. Xbox has so many things announced. How many years until all of that is released? Their catalogue is incredible, undeniably so, but all of this is in the future. I really hope they will deliver on all of this, but I want games to play, not to look forward too. This seems like a sentiment a lot of people don't share with me. It seems, as long as people have something to look forward to, all is fine for them.
But what was the launch lineup for series x/s, and what have they released since? Not saying that sony is so much better, but at least there is something here.
When Halo releases, is absolutely great and there is not much noise about it, then I will consider xbox being unsung heros.

It's only a "free pass" if people agree with your criticism. Different strokes for different folks. Their "abysmal" output has been pretty overblown, mostly because the first party studios they recently added, all had prior commitments that needed to be honored. But in the last two years I've gotten Wasteland 3, Gears Tactics, Outer Worlds, Battletoads, Flight Simulator, multiple Age of Empires remasters, Grounded, Bleeding Edge, Minecraft Dungeons, and more for free*. Not to mention the big third party games they put onto GamePass that basically feel like first party releases, like Dirt 5, MLB 21, Outriders, Doom Eternal, etc. Lots of Xbox fans don't bitch a lot about the output because we are literally drowning in quality games to play.

And of course, we understand that with 23 studios slowed by prior commitments and COVID, the release of the beast is just a matter of time :)

* - By "free" I mean for like.. $1 more a month than I would normally be paying for Gold 



LudicrousSpeed said

It's only a "free pass" if people agree with your criticism. Different strokes for different folks. Their "abysmal" output has been pretty overblown, mostly because the first party studios they recently added, all had prior commitments that needed to be honored. But in the last two years I've gotten Wasteland 3, Gears Tactics, Outer Worlds, Battletoads, Flight Simulator, multiple Age of Empires remasters, Grounded, Bleeding Edge, Minecraft Dungeons, and more for free*. Not to mention the big third party games they put onto GamePass that basically feel like first party releases, like Dirt 5, MLB 21, Outriders, Doom Eternal, etc. Lots of Xbox fans don't bitch a lot about the output because we are literally drowning in quality games to play.

And of course, we understand that with 23 studios slowed by prior commitments and COVID, the release of the beast is just a matter of time :)

* - By "free" I mean for like.. $1 more a month than I would normally be paying for Gold 

To be fair, I have to clarify that my criticism came from a place of huge bias. I usually don't like xbox games and I never owned an xbox. So it is no surprise that all the games you listed for the last two years of first party output (and I understand it is an incomplete list) do not interest me at all.

Having said that, the leaked internal review from TLoU2 from the xbox guys, that stated something along the lines of "this is the new benchmark we hope to achieve at some point" is very telling. I absolutely hated TLoU2, but its quality is undeniable. The release of such a game is an event. None of the games you listed feel anywhere nearly as big as this.

Than again, not all games have to be big AAA action adventure story heavy games Sony seems to bet on. Variety is good and there seems to be quite some coming from xbox first party as of late.

I guess what I'm saying is this: Microsoft has nigh infinite money. And it is obvious that they are willing to invest heavily in xbox. With this as a premise, I really would have liked to see 2, or 3 more really big heavy hitters coming from their first party in the last 2 years.

Additionally, I don't think it is right to celebrate a company for announcing a game. Sure, be glad that they work on something, but they do not provide me with any tangible value before I can actually play those games. So in congruence no sort, or amount of value should be added to them (like good will, brand loyalty, actually ordering their box, etc.)

In short: talk is cheap. So here is to hoping that fable, halo, perfect dark, avowed, etc. are going to release as soon as possible and be even better than everybody is hoping for.



mjk45 said:
AsGryffynn said:

It sucks that I have essentially added them to the "same as Sony, Nintendo, Steam, GOG, Ubisoft, Actiblizzard, Origin/EA" pile. They are doing genuinely good stuff... that I can no longer enjoy: not only that, but I'm officially "deplatformed" when it comes to standard issue gaming. EGS is the only thing remaining on the platter...

It sucks, at least for me. I wish they had done all this back in 2017... back when I could still enjoy the system and they were the real hero for supporting mods in a freaking console. Urgh. I really feel bad now.

Personal choices are fine but should never become so rigid that they effectively lock up your right to respond to change and so become a prison. break free my man .

They also represent a boycott of sorts. No supporting X until we get what we want is an approach as old as... history? 

My way or the high way. It's always been my maxim and in the end never let me down. 



smroadkill15 said:

While Sony and Nintendo continue to be the top selling consoles(for good reason of course), Xbox continues to fly under the radar of most consumers. It doesn't help that the Xbox One was a lackluster system overall. Way too much controversy during the beginning of the generation and lack of heavy hitter exclusives made the Xbox One a system most consumers overlooked last gen. 
Fast forward to current generation, Xbox has been making all the right moves. I think it's safe to assume Xbox has become the most consumer friendly between the 3 console manufactures. Several examples include:

Xbox has the widest range of BC games of any system reach back to the 6th gen, and they are committed to adding more BC titles in the future.
Have been adding FPS boost to select titles, and as of today have 97 titles that enable that feature. 
Game Pass continues to grow, and offers the ability to play hundreds of games on it's platform. Many of which are newer titles, and 1st party games get added day 1. It's the best value in gaming. 
Offer cloud saves without any kind of paywall. 
Offer multiple ways of playing games via Cloud, PC, and Console, and accessing your save progress on any device is seamless. 

What about the 1st party games? Well, there is still work to be done. With Xbox now having 22 1st party studios(23 if you count XGP), they out number any other console maker by a wide margin, but it hasn't shown yet. With Halo Infinite delayed, Gears Tactics was the only 1st party game to play at launch, and there hasn't been much since then except for a few 3rd party exclusives. But for those who have a Series X|S, most will agree Game Pass has filled that void for now. With that said, It's only a matter of time before the games start dropping, and once they do, it's going to be hard for consumers to overlook.  

even with all the merits you mention it looks like people simply are not bothered outside of web forums. Again you mention back compat back compat has never been mentioned before but because theres nothing much else on xbox its hailed left and right. imo once production is steady ps5 will pull so far ahead all these points wont mean anything as gamers just want great new games to play.



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Skeeuk said:
smroadkill15 said:

While Sony and Nintendo continue to be the top selling consoles(for good reason of course), Xbox continues to fly under the radar of most consumers. It doesn't help that the Xbox One was a lackluster system overall. Way too much controversy during the beginning of the generation and lack of heavy hitter exclusives made the Xbox One a system most consumers overlooked last gen. 
Fast forward to current generation, Xbox has been making all the right moves. I think it's safe to assume Xbox has become the most consumer friendly between the 3 console manufactures. Several examples include:

Xbox has the widest range of BC games of any system reach back to the 6th gen, and they are committed to adding more BC titles in the future.
Have been adding FPS boost to select titles, and as of today have 97 titles that enable that feature. 
Game Pass continues to grow, and offers the ability to play hundreds of games on it's platform. Many of which are newer titles, and 1st party games get added day 1. It's the best value in gaming. 
Offer cloud saves without any kind of paywall. 
Offer multiple ways of playing games via Cloud, PC, and Console, and accessing your save progress on any device is seamless. 

What about the 1st party games? Well, there is still work to be done. With Xbox now having 22 1st party studios(23 if you count XGP), they out number any other console maker by a wide margin, but it hasn't shown yet. With Halo Infinite delayed, Gears Tactics was the only 1st party game to play at launch, and there hasn't been much since then except for a few 3rd party exclusives. But for those who have a Series X|S, most will agree Game Pass has filled that void for now. With that said, It's only a matter of time before the games start dropping, and once they do, it's going to be hard for consumers to overlook.  

even with all the merits you mention it looks like people simply are not bothered outside of web forums. Again you mention back compat back compat has never been mentioned before but because theres nothing much else on xbox its hailed left and right. imo once production is steady ps5 will pull so far ahead all these points wont mean anything as gamers just want great new games to play.

The reason why BC is talked up so much is because we have moved forward in the industry. We now live in a world where majority of products are now BC enabled. We never spoke about it before because we always had some sort of BC in the past, weather it was the WiiU playing Wii games or the PS2 playing PS1 games or the 360 playing some of the OG Xbox titles. The moment they started taking these options away led to an uproar of gamers being confused. When people know on PC they can continue to play all the new and old games without asking for it made the console makers look foolish and people caught onto it. 

We have also seen a monster push of recycled games being released as remasters in the 8th gen. Last gen being the age of remasters. Without BC, the consumers were rebuying games they already owned and companies knew this. This is why BC is important not just from a customer standpoint but also a push towards bigger and better things for the industry. (Of course not all Remasters are bad, old games that are decades old or bundle in Trilogy packs etc are fine by my standards.)

PS5 selling more means little in the great scheme of things. The Xbox isn't competing with the PS5 like many people want to believe. The Xbox isn't a console anymore, its an eco-system free from the console walls. Its not going to sell more hardware because it offers more options. I am not buying a new Xbox but i am still an Xbox customer. I can be a Sony customer too if the option was their, so that's Sony's decision if they want my money.

Comparing hardware sales from a company completely focused on selling hardware to another company completely focused on services and multi-devices isn't exactly an Apples to Apples comparison. Its why MS don't disclose hardware sales anymore because its not entirely the main focus for the brand. They don't care about head to head numbers anymore, either do i to be honest, i use to care about console sales when i was still in school and i believe those that only care about console sales, only want the info for comparison sakes and nothing more.



Azzanation said:

The Xbox isn't competing with the PS5 like many people want to believe. The Xbox isn't a console anymore, its an eco-system free from the console walls. Its not going to sell more hardware because it offers more options. I am not buying a new Xbox but i am still an Xbox customer. I can be a Sony customer too if the option was their, so that's Sony's decision if they want my money.

Pretty much this. MS is selling GP subscriptions, the Series help but are not the sole option to subscribe to GP



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I read your post to justify your reasoning for MS being the best this gen, and it seems to boil down to Gamepass, Gamepass, Gamepass........ and free cloud saves.

While I do applaud MS for how they have gone about developing this ecosystem, I have no doubt that at the beginning this was simply a way for themtoake their console more attractive when they were getting hammered by Sony. Everything they have done since the beginning of the last gen (trying to cater to gamers, more honesty from MS heads, buying of game studios, japanese buy-in) is a reaction to how much
criticism they suffered initially. And i dont see any they have done so far this gen that is going out of their way to benefit gamers.



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The biggest problem Microsoft has is still the lack of 1st and 2nd party exclusives. They have a lot of studios now, yes, but they always had some studios under their wing. They squandered a lot of opportunities during the Xbox One´s lifetime (I´m still mad at Fable Legends cancellation). I don´t really care about Gamepass.



fauzman said:

I read your post to justify your reasoning for MS being the best this gen, and it seems to boil down to Gamepass, Gamepass, Gamepass........ and free cloud saves.

While I do applaud MS for how they have gone about developing this ecosystem, I have no doubt that at the beginning this was simply a way for themtoake their console more attractive when they were getting hammered by Sony. Everything they have done since the beginning of the last gen (trying to cater to gamers, more honesty from MS heads, buying of game studios, japanese buy-in) is a reaction to how much
criticism they suffered initially. And i dont see any they have done so far this gen that is going out of their way to benefit gamers.

I mean, of course it's a reaction to how things went this past generation, but this is what all these companies do. I'm fully aware MS is a company trying to get consumers to buy their product just like every other console maker out there, and guess what, I'm happy about it because they are trying to compete for my money by doing whatever they can to give consumers a reason to buy into their ecosystem. 

I think commitment to BC, smart delivery, and other added quality of life features (FPS boost) show MS is going out of their way to benefit gamers more than Game Pass is because these are things MS doesn't necessarily need to do for consumers to buy an Xbox, and the general consumer likely doesn't know about these features. I highly doubt the BC team brings in any kind of revenue, but they are still committed to it.