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smroadkill15 said:

I mean, of course it's a reaction to how things went this past generation, but this is what all these companies do. I'm fully aware MS is a company trying to get consumers to buy their product just like every other console maker out there, and guess what, I'm happy about it because they are trying to compete for my money by doing whatever they can to give consumers a reason to buy into their ecosystem. 

I think commitment to BC, smart delivery, and other added quality of life features (FPS boost) show MS is going out of their way to benefit gamers more than Game Pass is because these are things MS doesn't necessarily need to do for consumers to buy an Xbox, and the general consumer likely doesn't know about these features. I highly doubt the BC team brings in any kind of revenue, but they are still committed to it.  

It's their core marketing strategy. MS has always held the philosophy that if you get the vocal hardcore crowd on board, the masses will follow. Friends will get their friends to get in the same ecosystem. So yes, those are exactly the things MS needs or thinks they need to do to get the blue ocean on board. Pander to the hardcore crowd and they will sell the system to their friends. Or make threads like these :)



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SvennoJ said:
smroadkill15 said:

I mean, of course it's a reaction to how things went this past generation, but this is what all these companies do. I'm fully aware MS is a company trying to get consumers to buy their product just like every other console maker out there, and guess what, I'm happy about it because they are trying to compete for my money by doing whatever they can to give consumers a reason to buy into their ecosystem. 

I think commitment to BC, smart delivery, and other added quality of life features (FPS boost) show MS is going out of their way to benefit gamers more than Game Pass is because these are things MS doesn't necessarily need to do for consumers to buy an Xbox, and the general consumer likely doesn't know about these features. I highly doubt the BC team brings in any kind of revenue, but they are still committed to it.  

It's their core marketing strategy. MS has always held the philosophy that if you get the vocal hardcore crowd on board, the masses will follow. Friends will get their friends to get in the same ecosystem. So yes, those are exactly the things MS needs or thinks they need to do to get the blue ocean on board. Pander to the hardcore crowd and they will sell the system to their friends. Or make threads like these :)

What makes MS strategy different than Sony's? 



A lot of their stuff is just great PR. 

More gens of BC, enhancing the past with frame boost, Game Pass having the best value with day 1 stuff. Xcloud on mobile and Xbox aggressively expanding in PC space.

Only thing they really need to prove is their 23 studios first party, which I’ll admit, is the most important piece to the puzzle. But it’s not like they got 23 studios just so they can mess around having BBQs all day instead of working on games lol. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

smroadkill15 said:
SvennoJ said:

It's their core marketing strategy. MS has always held the philosophy that if you get the vocal hardcore crowd on board, the masses will follow. Friends will get their friends to get in the same ecosystem. So yes, those are exactly the things MS needs or thinks they need to do to get the blue ocean on board. Pander to the hardcore crowd and they will sell the system to their friends. Or make threads like these :)

What makes MS strategy different than Sony's? 

Sony plays the aloof girl and doesn't care all that much about QOL improvements. Sony just makes games and knows shiny games sell systems better than all the other stuff combined. As you said "general consumer likely doesn't know about these features", imo the casual gamer simply doesn't care all that much for those features. So you have one side saying to their friends, look at all the cool features of the XBox, and the other side, look at these awesome games you can't play anywhere else. So far its clear which strategy has had more success. (Ninty ofcourse who doesn't care about the hardcore gamer at all)



SvennoJ said:
smroadkill15 said:

What makes MS strategy different than Sony's? 

Sony plays the aloof girl and doesn't care all that much about QOL improvements. Sony just makes games and knows shiny games sell systems better than all the other stuff combined. As you said "general consumer likely doesn't know about these features", imo the casual gamer simply doesn't care all that much for those features. So you have one side saying to their friends, look at all the cool features of the XBox, and the other side, look at these awesome games you can't play anywhere else. So far its clear which strategy has had more success. (Ninty ofcourse who doesn't care about the hardcore gamer at all)

While those QoL features may not get the attention of the general public, Game Pass certainly will and it's very much in the process of becoming mainstream.

If I show my friends, who are average gamers, how Xbox has these great features like boosting select games to 60FPS, smart delivery, superior BC with 3 generations, quick resume, Game Pass, and the more powerful hardware, you don't think that would sway them towards getting one? Then you say, "These games you can't play anywhere else." Right now, there are 4 actual ps5 exclusives and a tech demo. Demon Souls and Returnal are great games, but lets not act like these are big sellers, and Godfall and Destruction Allstars aren't exactly knocking anyone's socks off. The PS5 is selling out everywhere mainly by name brand alone.

Neither console has any system seller exclusives and we likely won't see any until Halo and God of War release. Rachet and Clank could potentially, but that series has never really been known as a system seller. If my friends are really into games like Returnal and Demon Souls, then I would absolutely recommend the Ps5, but if they really don't care and those kinds of games, then I think Xbox is more appealing. 



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smroadkill15 said:

While those QoL features may not get the attention of the general public, Game Pass certainly will and it's very much in the process of becoming mainstream.

If I show my friends, who are average gamers, how Xbox has these great features like boosting select games to 60FPS, smart delivery, superior BC with 3 generations, quick resume, Game Pass, and the more powerful hardware, you don't think that would sway them towards getting one? Then you say, "These games you can't play anywhere else." Right now, there are 4 actual ps5 exclusives and a tech demo. Demon Souls and Returnal are great games, but lets not act like these are big sellers, and Godfall and Destruction Allstars aren't exactly knocking anyone's socks off. The PS5 is selling out everywhere mainly by name brand alone.

Neither console has any system seller exclusives and we likely won't see any until Halo and God of War release. Rachet and Clank could potentially, but that series has never really been known as a system seller. If my friends are really into games like Returnal and Demon Souls, then I would absolutely recommend the Ps5, but if they really don't care and those kinds of games, then I think Xbox is more appealing. 

True, but how did Sony and Nintendo get that name brand... The expectation is that those exclusives will come, while with XBox that's much less. People aren't buying PS5 only for Returnal or Demons Souls.

60 fps, casuals don't care
Smart delivery, general gamer doesn't care, as long as it gets there
(most people happily watched 4:3 SD tv stretched to 16:9 HD, do you think they care about smart delivery)
Superior BC, general gamer wants to play the latest hot thing
Quick resume, general gamer doesn't care for those extra few seconds
Game Pass, yep that's one that could sway people depending on whether the games they want to play are on there
More powerful hardware, switch sells best...

So basically it's gamepass to make the difference. The question is how appealing is it really. As most gamers only play a few games a lot. Buying them is cheaper in the long run. And gamepass is basically tied to the console library, it's the exclusives that make the difference. If someone wants to play the next Spiderman or God of War game, then having access to a 1000 other games on gamepass is not going to make any difference. Just like when someone wants to play Halo, no QOL feature of free games list on PS4 or Switch are going to make any difference.



Unless Infinite shatters expectations, PS5 already has a system seller bigger than Halo will ever be sales-wise (Miles Morales), and may receive its 2nd system seller (Horizon 2) before God of War or Halo Infinite.

And "brand name" is the result of a solid collection of high sellers (Spider-Man, Horizon, Uncharted, God of War etc) and core gamer candy (Demon's Souls, Returnal, Bloodborne, Shadow of the Colossus, NieR Automata (before it was ported) etc). So Demon's Souls and Returnal are already contributing to the strong appeal of PS5. The hype and energy generated by core gamers (word of mouth) affect the perceptions of casuals and attract them into wanting a PS5, even if some of these casuals or mainstream gamers will end up not buying any exclusive.



Kyuu said:

Unless Infinite shatters expectations, PS5 already has a system seller bigger than Halo will ever be sales-wise (Miles Morales), and may receive its 2nd system seller (Horizon 2) before God of War or Halo Infinite.

And "brand name" is the result of a solid collection of high sellers (Spider-Man, Horizon, Uncharted, God of War etc) and core gamer candy (Demon's Souls, Returnal, Bloodborne, Shadow of the Colossus, NieR Automata (before it was ported) etc). So Demon's Souls and Returnal are already contributing to the strong appeal of PS5. The hype and energy generated by core gamers (word of mouth) affect the perceptions of casuals and attract them into wanting a PS5, even if some of these casuals or mainstream gamers will end up not buying any exclusive.

I'm not sure I would agree that Miles Morales is a bigger system seller than Halo. Horizon 2 might, but if Halo Infinite has a great single player, it will be a system seller. If it's F2P multiplayer ends up great, it has potential to become a much bigger system seller then any ps5 exclusive Sony has announced so far. 



SvennoJ said:
smroadkill15 said:

While those QoL features may not get the attention of the general public, Game Pass certainly will and it's very much in the process of becoming mainstream.

If I show my friends, who are average gamers, how Xbox has these great features like boosting select games to 60FPS, smart delivery, superior BC with 3 generations, quick resume, Game Pass, and the more powerful hardware, you don't think that would sway them towards getting one? Then you say, "These games you can't play anywhere else." Right now, there are 4 actual ps5 exclusives and a tech demo. Demon Souls and Returnal are great games, but lets not act like these are big sellers, and Godfall and Destruction Allstars aren't exactly knocking anyone's socks off. The PS5 is selling out everywhere mainly by name brand alone.

Neither console has any system seller exclusives and we likely won't see any until Halo and God of War release. Rachet and Clank could potentially, but that series has never really been known as a system seller. If my friends are really into games like Returnal and Demon Souls, then I would absolutely recommend the Ps5, but if they really don't care and those kinds of games, then I think Xbox is more appealing. 

True, but how did Sony and Nintendo get that name brand... The expectation is that those exclusives will come, while with XBox that's much less. People aren't buying PS5 only for Returnal or Demons Souls.

60 fps, casuals don't care
Smart delivery, general gamer doesn't care, as long as it gets there
(most people happily watched 4:3 SD tv stretched to 16:9 HD, do you think they care about smart delivery)
Superior BC, general gamer wants to play the latest hot thing
Quick resume, general gamer doesn't care for those extra few seconds
Game Pass, yep that's one that could sway people depending on whether the games they want to play are on there
More powerful hardware, switch sells best...

So basically it's gamepass to make the difference. The question is how appealing is it really. As most gamers only play a few games a lot. Buying them is cheaper in the long run. And gamepass is basically tied to the console library, it's the exclusives that make the difference. If someone wants to play the next Spiderman or God of War game, then having access to a 1000 other games on gamepass is not going to make any difference. Just like when someone wants to play Halo, no QOL feature of free games list on PS4 or Switch are going to make any difference.

Sony and Nintendo have brand name appeal for a reason, MS has it to a lesser extent. MS doesn't get the benefit of the doubt like Sony does, and for obvious reasons, but once those Xbox 1st party games start dropping people will notice, and combine that with Game Pass? Could be huge for Xbox sales. I already stated how those QoL features will hardly be noticed by the general public, but I disagree with the statement about casuals not caring about these features. It's more so not knowing about them because some of these features like 60FPS boost is a big deal and quick resume is one of the most 'next gen' features any of these consoles have. 

Now you arguing how appealing Game Pass is when it has 20 something million subscribers and growing? I don't think you can make a compelling argument without reaching and using your own bias to downplay it, when in fact it is really appealing and the numbers speak for themselves. 



smroadkill15 said:

Sony and Nintendo have brand name appeal for a reason, MS has it to a lesser extent. MS doesn't get the benefit of the doubt like Sony does, and for obvious reasons, but once those Xbox 1st party games start dropping people will notice, and combine that with Game Pass? Could be huge for Xbox sales. I already stated how those QoL features will hardly be noticed by the general public, but I disagree with the statement about casuals not caring about these features. It's more so not knowing about them because some of these features like 60FPS boost is a big deal and quick resume is one of the most 'next gen' features any of these consoles have. 

Now you arguing how appealing Game Pass is when it has 20 something million subscribers and growing? I don't think you can make a compelling argument without reaching and using your own bias to downplay it, when in fact it is really appealing and the numbers speak for themselves. 

Could be huge, if MS can deliver great 1st party games that also appeal outside the US/UK demographic.

Gamepass mostly has existing XBox customers subscribed, yes it's hugely successful for the fans and those that like to try a lot of different games. I'm arguing how appealing is it to the 'play a couple games a lot' player. The free to play games gamer and the PC and mobile gamers MS wants to get to with game pass. It's the same with all the other things MS does, great for the hardcore gamer, but still fails to touch the blue ocean like Nintendo can. That blue ocean is what creates the brand name appeal.

SSD is the big deal this gen, quick resume just adds some sugar on top. Loading times aren't really a problem anymore, at least not for games made for this gen. And 60fps boost is for BC games, not a big deal. People don't buy consoles to play last gen games, it's a bonus, not a deal maker.

Anyway, maybe in two years we can see whether this strategy pays off. Far too hard to tell now with supply constraints, Covid boosting entertainment consumption numbers while delaying games left and right. In 2 years, exclusives should be out, people are back to work/school, recession will be in effect. I wonder what the landscape will look like.