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SvennoJ said:
smroadkill15 said:

Sony and Nintendo have brand name appeal for a reason, MS has it to a lesser extent. MS doesn't get the benefit of the doubt like Sony does, and for obvious reasons, but once those Xbox 1st party games start dropping people will notice, and combine that with Game Pass? Could be huge for Xbox sales. I already stated how those QoL features will hardly be noticed by the general public, but I disagree with the statement about casuals not caring about these features. It's more so not knowing about them because some of these features like 60FPS boost is a big deal and quick resume is one of the most 'next gen' features any of these consoles have. 

Now you arguing how appealing Game Pass is when it has 20 something million subscribers and growing? I don't think you can make a compelling argument without reaching and using your own bias to downplay it, when in fact it is really appealing and the numbers speak for themselves. 

Could be huge, if MS can deliver great 1st party games that also appeal outside the US/UK demographic.

Gamepass mostly has existing XBox customers subscribed, yes it's hugely successful for the fans and those that like to try a lot of different games. I'm arguing how appealing is it to the 'play a couple games a lot' player. The free to play games gamer and the PC and mobile gamers MS wants to get to with game pass. It's the same with all the other things MS does, great for the hardcore gamer, but still fails to touch the blue ocean like Nintendo can. That blue ocean is what creates the brand name appeal.

SSD is the big deal this gen, quick resume just adds some sugar on top. Loading times aren't really a problem anymore, at least not for games made for this gen. And 60fps boost is for BC games, not a big deal. People don't buy consoles to play last gen games, it's a bonus, not a deal maker.

Anyway, maybe in two years we can see whether this strategy pays off. Far too hard to tell now with supply constraints, Covid boosting entertainment consumption numbers while delaying games left and right. In 2 years, exclusives should be out, people are back to work/school, recession will be in effect. I wonder what the landscape will look like.

You're downplaying these features to create an argument. People buy consoles to play games, and being BC is irrelevant especially when there are hardly any next-gen only games to play. If I showed a casual gamer a handful of BC games and was like, you can play these at 60/120fps on Xbox and only 30fps on Ps5, I don't think they will be like nah these are last gen games. If we looked at a graph of what games are being played on XSX and PS5, the vast majority will be cross-gen games and last gen games by a wide margin. 

The main point of this thread was, if someone really care about the few Ps5 exclusives out right now, then I would say go with the Ps5, but if someone doesn't, Xbox is a more appealing console when we break down everything both system has to offer, but is mainly being overlooked because varies factors like brand name. 



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smroadkill15 said:

You're downplaying these features to create an argument. People buy consoles to play games, and being BC is irrelevant especially when there are hardly any next-gen only games to play. If I showed a casual gamer a handful of BC games and was like, you can play these at 60/120fps on Xbox and only 30fps on Ps5, I don't think they will be like nah these are last gen games. If we looked at a graph of what games are being played on XSX and PS5, the vast majority will be cross-gen games and last gen games by a wide margin. 

The main point of this thread was, if someone really care about the few Ps5 exclusives out right now, then I would say go with the Ps5, but if someone doesn't, Xbox is a more appealing console when we break down everything both system has to offer, but is mainly being overlooked because varies factors like brand name. 

You seem to be blinded by ms vs sony console war and keep ignoring the Switch entirely. No BC, no 60 fps (boost), no game pass, sells truckloads.

The more casual gamer doesn't buy a new console the first year they are out. So yes, I am downplaying all these early adopter features, since that is what they are. Once the masses get into the new consoles, exclusives are out and BC has gone back on the back burner until next gen.

If you showed a casual gamer that they can play the games they are playing now at double the frame rate for a $500+ investment, I think you'll just get some funny looks. They'll stick to Switch / PS4 / XBox One S until a price drop or there are new games they really want to play and can't play on the systems they already have.

It is not overlooked because of brand name, it is less popular because of (expected) game libraries.



SvennoJ said:
smroadkill15 said:

You're downplaying these features to create an argument. People buy consoles to play games, and being BC is irrelevant especially when there are hardly any next-gen only games to play. If I showed a casual gamer a handful of BC games and was like, you can play these at 60/120fps on Xbox and only 30fps on Ps5, I don't think they will be like nah these are last gen games. If we looked at a graph of what games are being played on XSX and PS5, the vast majority will be cross-gen games and last gen games by a wide margin. 

The main point of this thread was, if someone really care about the few Ps5 exclusives out right now, then I would say go with the Ps5, but if someone doesn't, Xbox is a more appealing console when we break down everything both system has to offer, but is mainly being overlooked because varies factors like brand name. 

You seem to be blinded by ms vs sony console war and keep ignoring the Switch entirely. No BC, no 60 fps (boost), no game pass, sells truckloads.

The more casual gamer doesn't buy a new console the first year they are out. So yes, I am downplaying all these early adopter features, since that is what they are. Once the masses get into the new consoles, exclusives are out and BC has gone back on the back burner until next gen.

If you showed a casual gamer that they can play the games they are playing now at double the frame rate for a $500+ investment, I think you'll just get some funny looks. They'll stick to Switch / PS4 / XBox One S until a price drop or there are new games they really want to play and can't play on the systems they already have.

It is not overlooked because of brand name, it is less popular because of (expected) game libraries.

I'm not mentioning the Switch because it's the unanimous victor of this generation and that is due to system seller games, something both PS5 and Series X lack. 

Okay, but I'm talking about someone wants to buy a console right now. Anything can happen 2-3 years down the line and I fully expect both consoles to be in the swing of things when it comes to games. I also wouldn't call quick resume an early adoption feature when it something that will benefit gamers the entire generation, unless you are only referring to BC. 

I agree with you on that. I wouldn't recommend either system in it's current state unless they really care about certain features. 



smroadkill15 said:
SvennoJ said:

You seem to be blinded by ms vs sony console war and keep ignoring the Switch entirely. No BC, no 60 fps (boost), no game pass, sells truckloads.

The more casual gamer doesn't buy a new console the first year they are out. So yes, I am downplaying all these early adopter features, since that is what they are. Once the masses get into the new consoles, exclusives are out and BC has gone back on the back burner until next gen.

If you showed a casual gamer that they can play the games they are playing now at double the frame rate for a $500+ investment, I think you'll just get some funny looks. They'll stick to Switch / PS4 / XBox One S until a price drop or there are new games they really want to play and can't play on the systems they already have.

It is not overlooked because of brand name, it is less popular because of (expected) game libraries.

I'm not mentioning the Switch because it's the unanimous victor of this generation and that is due to system seller games, something both PS5 and Series X lack. 

Okay, but I'm talking about someone wants to buy a console right now. Anything can happen 2-3 years down the line and I fully expect both consoles to be in the swing of things when it comes to games. I also wouldn't call quick resume an early adoption feature when it something that will benefit gamers the entire generation, unless you are only referring to BC. 

I agree with you on that. I wouldn't recommend either system in it's current state unless they really care about certain features. 

Although you've corrected yourself in the next paragraph, you're still wrong about Switch being the unanimous victor of the generation. The PS5 and Series X are still very much in the infancy of their launch. Give it time.



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There are some things that seem great about them.
-The better storage options over PS5.
-GamePass
-Backwards compatibility.

But they don't really seem any better than Sony and Nintendo. Their DRM seems to be the worst of all of the big three. And at the moment, they still seem to have the worst first-party content.



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Switch: 144 million (was 73, then 96, then 113 million, then 125 million)

PS5: 105 million Xbox Series S/X: 60 million

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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smroadkill15 said:

I'm not mentioning the Switch because it's the unanimous victor of this generation and that is due to system seller games, something both PS5 and Series X lack. 

Okay, but I'm talking about someone wants to buy a console right now. Anything can happen 2-3 years down the line and I fully expect both consoles to be in the swing of things when it comes to games. I also wouldn't call quick resume an early adoption feature when it something that will benefit gamers the entire generation, unless you are only referring to BC. 

I agree with you on that. I wouldn't recommend either system in it's current state unless they really care about certain features. 

Kinda sums up what I've been trying to say, Switch is running away because of system seller exclusives. It was a smart move from Nintendo to stagger their upgrade cycle to that of the HD twins. While MS and Sony both lack games to start the next generation, as well as being supply constrained, Nintendo already has the games and the systems in stores. And I guess Nintendo is pandering to the hardcore a bit with the Switch upgrade coming. 

I call quick resume for early adopters as those are more likely the hardcore crowd that actually cares about that feature. Sure it will benefit gamers all generation, just as BC, but the few extra seconds saved with quick resume won't matter to most. Certainly not after coming from a generation with horrendous install and load times. The SSD more than takes care of that. We needed quick resume last gen.

I already bought Returnal and Ratchet & Clank is one of my favorite series, so for me the choice is obvious, besides looking forward to psvr 2. No hurry to get one yet through, still happily playing FS2020. For XBox my choice is more, do I put the money towards a new gaming laptop with 3070 rtx, or make room for a Series X. At some point I'll need a new laptop anyway, and the price difference between a powerful regular laptop and a great gaming laptop is basically a Series X.

None of the things I want are for sale here yet, so for now it's all just speculation lol.



Wman1996 said:

There are some things that seem great about them.
-The better storage options over PS5.
-GamePass
-Backwards compatibility.

But they don't really seem any better than Sony and Nintendo. Their DRM seems to be the worst of all of the big three. And at the moment, they still seem to have the worst first-party content.

How so? Isn't Sony about to face a lawsuit because you're forced to buy digital games from their store?

I disagree about the first-party content but it's subjective.



KiigelHeart said:
Wman1996 said:

There are some things that seem great about them.
-The better storage options over PS5.
-GamePass
-Backwards compatibility.

But they don't really seem any better than Sony and Nintendo. Their DRM seems to be the worst of all of the big three. And at the moment, they still seem to have the worst first-party content.

How so? Isn't Sony about to face a lawsuit because you're forced to buy digital games from their store?

I disagree about the first-party content but it's subjective.

The first party output from Xbox compared to the other 2 isn't debatable...AT THE MOMENT. It is worse than the other 2 for now.



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Rafie said:
KiigelHeart said:

How so? Isn't Sony about to face a lawsuit because you're forced to buy digital games from their store?

I disagree about the first-party content but it's subjective.

The first party output from Xbox compared to the other 2 isn't debatable...AT THE MOMENT. It is worse than the other 2 for now.

Nah there's plenty of variety and games to put some serious hours into on Xbox. Wouldn't give them up for anything Sony or especially Nintendo is offering. 



KiigelHeart said:
Wman1996 said:

There are some things that seem great about them.
-The better storage options over PS5.
-GamePass
-Backwards compatibility.

But they don't really seem any better than Sony and Nintendo. Their DRM seems to be the worst of all of the big three. And at the moment, they still seem to have the worst first-party content.

How so? Isn't Sony about to face a lawsuit because you're forced to buy digital games from their store?

I disagree about the first-party content but it's subjective.

Do you have any experience with the windows store? Can't touch the files nor the directories, disk space goes missing when installation fails.

On console I don't see any difference between the three, it's all locked up tight. You can't even transfer saves between accounts, effed up.