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KiigelHeart said:
Rafie said:

The first party output from Xbox compared to the other 2 isn't debatable...AT THE MOMENT. It is worse than the other 2 for now.

Nah there's plenty of variety and games to put some serious hours into on Xbox. Wouldn't give them up for anything Sony or especially Nintendo is offering. 

I'm not saying that there aren't games you can put serious hours into on Xbox. However, both Nintendo and PlayStation has much more variety and games than Xbox first party wise at the moment. It's factual. I understand you prefer Xbox over the other 2 judging by your last sentence. Nothing wrong with that.



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Actually the XBox Series X is in stock here at my local store. At least last night it was, first time I see it in stock. However CAD 600 and I couldn't think of anything I wanted to play on it right now. Didn't buy. maybe next year. PS5 still just says 'coming soon'.



KiigelHeart said:
Rafie said:

The first party output from Xbox compared to the other 2 isn't debatable...AT THE MOMENT. It is worse than the other 2 for now.

Nah there's plenty of variety and games to put some serious hours into on Xbox. Wouldn't give them up for anything Sony or especially Nintendo is offering. 

Hey we just found 1 of the 1% of people that think Forza, Halo, Gears etc is anywhere near the quality of Mario, Zelda, Smash, Uncharted, Last of Us, God of War, Ratchet etc.  That's cool if Microsoft's games are what you enjoy but outside of the improved frame rates/load times there is 0 reason to own an Xbox series X over the Xbox one X at the moment.  That will change soon and Microsoft will narrow the gap quite a bit in 1st party quality in 2 or so years when it starts getting elusive Elder Scrolls Fallout and Starfield type games.  If I'm stuck on an island alone and can only take 10 games with me to play with until I die 0 will be Microsoft made games.



rapsuperstar31 said:

If I'm stuck on an island alone and can only take 10 games with me to play with until I die 0 will be Microsoft made games.

Same here, mine would be 10 giant chess boards so I could make a boat and leave. 



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rapsuperstar31 said:
KiigelHeart said:

Nah there's plenty of variety and games to put some serious hours into on Xbox. Wouldn't give them up for anything Sony or especially Nintendo is offering. 

Hey we just found 1 of the 1% of people that think Forza, Halo, Gears etc is anywhere near the quality of Mario, Zelda, Smash, Uncharted, Last of Us, God of War, Ratchet etc.  That's cool if Microsoft's games are what you enjoy but outside of the improved frame rates/load times there is 0 reason to own an Xbox series X over the Xbox one X at the moment.  That will change soon and Microsoft will narrow the gap quite a bit in 1st party quality in 2 or so years when it starts getting elusive Elder Scrolls Fallout and Starfield type games.  If I'm stuck on an island alone and can only take 10 games with me to play with until I die 0 will be Microsoft made games.

Halo, Gears, Forza are absolutely at the top of quality 1st party games along with anything Sony and Nintendo have. You might not enjoy those games, but the majority of gamers acknowledge Halo franchise as one of the best FPS ever made, Gears as one of the best TPS, and Forza as one of the best racing franchise ever. I would take Halo over any 1st party game on any platform, and it's the main reason I game on Xbox today. 



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smroadkill15 said:
rapsuperstar31 said:

Hey we just found 1 of the 1% of people that think Forza, Halo, Gears etc is anywhere near the quality of Mario, Zelda, Smash, Uncharted, Last of Us, God of War, Ratchet etc.  That's cool if Microsoft's games are what you enjoy but outside of the improved frame rates/load times there is 0 reason to own an Xbox series X over the Xbox one X at the moment.  That will change soon and Microsoft will narrow the gap quite a bit in 1st party quality in 2 or so years when it starts getting elusive Elder Scrolls Fallout and Starfield type games.  If I'm stuck on an island alone and can only take 10 games with me to play with until I die 0 will be Microsoft made games.

Halo, Gears, Forza are absolutely at the top of quality 1st party games along with anything Sony and Nintendo have. You might not enjoy those games, but the majority of gamers acknowledge Halo franchise as one of the best FPS ever made, Gears as one of the best TPS, and Forza as one of the best racing franchise ever. I would take Halo over any 1st party game on any platform, and it's the main reason I game on Xbox today. 

The perceived quality of Halo and Gears has gone down drastically over the years, though. It hurts me to say it, but there's going to be an increased revisionist history of Halo never having been at the same quality as Nintendo or Sony's best exclusive titles; even though it absolutely was at one point. I'd even argue the same with Gears, with Gears 3 being one of the most standout games I've ever played. 

However, as someone who is a fan of those franchises, I think that's hard to argue for their current outings. And that's why I kind of can't defend something like putting modern Halo, something like Halo 5, against the merits of something like Mario Odyssey. I don't even like Odyssey that much, but there's a leagues and bounds difference in how disappointing and soulless Halo 5 felt to me. That's just me personally though, if you want to do it you can, but I think it's fair to say that, @ the bolded, that's built off prior history of those franchises, not what state they're in now. As franchises get more and more washed up and what people used to love about those games goes away, more people become disillusioned, and people either wonder if those games were ever that great to begin with and/or just don't give acclaim to those franchises anymore in general. You can't live off past critical acclaim forever - that's how you become Sonic. 

Except Forza. Horizon FUCKS. 



smroadkill15 said:

Halo, Gears, Forza are absolutely at the top of quality 1st party games along with anything Sony and Nintendo have. You might not enjoy those games, but the majority of gamers acknowledge Halo franchise as one of the best FPS ever made, Gears as one of the best TPS, and Forza as one of the best racing franchise ever. I would take Halo over any 1st party game on any platform, and it's the main reason I game on Xbox today. 

The majority of gamers aren't playing halo/gears/forza though...

Sadly, the majority is playing CoD and Fortnite. I enjoyed all three, but not anymore. Maybe Halo Infinite can bring the magic back, Gears was awesome but should really have been replaced by something new by now. Forza is only good as horizon nowadays.

I would love to see PGR make a comeback, Rallisport Challenge, Fable (go back to its roots), Alan Wake, Dead Rising (back to its roots), Viva Pinata, Blinx the the sweeper. But most of all, see MS make a commitment to VR and Bring HL: Alyx to Series X.



rapsuperstar31 said:
KiigelHeart said:

Nah there's plenty of variety and games to put some serious hours into on Xbox. Wouldn't give them up for anything Sony or especially Nintendo is offering. 

Hey we just found 1 of the 1% of people that think Forza, Halo, Gears etc is anywhere near the quality of Mario, Zelda, Smash, Uncharted, Last of Us, God of War, Ratchet etc.  That's cool if Microsoft's games are what you enjoy but outside of the improved frame rates/load times there is 0 reason to own an Xbox series X over the Xbox one X at the moment.  That will change soon and Microsoft will narrow the gap quite a bit in 1st party quality in 2 or so years when it starts getting elusive Elder Scrolls Fallout and Starfield type games.  If I'm stuck on an island alone and can only take 10 games with me to play with until I die 0 will be Microsoft made games.

Well, most great Microsoft made games are those you play together with friends and I prefer it that way instead of feeling like dying alone. But to each their own.

Improved framerates and loading times are a game changer though. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
smroadkill15 said:

Halo, Gears, Forza are absolutely at the top of quality 1st party games along with anything Sony and Nintendo have. You might not enjoy those games, but the majority of gamers acknowledge Halo franchise as one of the best FPS ever made, Gears as one of the best TPS, and Forza as one of the best racing franchise ever. I would take Halo over any 1st party game on any platform, and it's the main reason I game on Xbox today. 

The perceived quality of Halo and Gears has gone down drastically over the years, though. It hurts me to say it, but there's going to be an increased revisionist history of Halo never having been at the same quality as Nintendo or Sony's best exclusive titles; even though it absolutely was at one point. I'd even argue the same with Gears, with Gears 3 being one of the most standout games I've ever played. 

However, as someone who is a fan of those franchises, I think that's hard to argue for their current outings. And that's why I kind of can't defend something like putting modern Halo, something like Halo 5, against the merits of something like Mario Odyssey. I don't even like Odyssey that much, but there's a leagues and bounds difference in how disappointing and soulless Halo 5 felt to me. That's just me personally though, if you want to do it you can, but I think it's fair to say that, @ the bolded, that's built off prior history of those franchises, not what state they're in now. As franchises get more and more washed up and what people used to love about those games goes away, more people become disillusioned, and people either wonder if those games were ever that great to begin with and/or just don't give acclaim to those franchises anymore in general. You can't live off past critical acclaim forever - that's how you become Sonic. 

Except Forza. Horizon FUCKS. 

Considering how they generalized all these franchises and not specific games makes me believe they are talking about those franchises, which is why I said it's not true.

I don't think you will find many people including myself who consider Halo 5 to be up there with the other great Halo games, but I still enjoyed the multiplayer a lot. MCC is also one of the greatest collection of games to release. 343 has done a fantastic job supporting it since it's revitalization in 2018. I think gamers are just as excited for Halo Infinite than any of the great Nintendo and Sony games coming out. 

As far as Gears goes, I still love that franchise. I play Gears 5 weekly, and I'm excited for the next iteration. Hopefully after Gears 6 they move on to something new. 

Forza Horizon 2/3/4 were some of the best games released last gen, and with Horizon 5 rumored to release this year, there will be a lot of hype around it. 



SvennoJ said:
smroadkill15 said:

Halo, Gears, Forza are absolutely at the top of quality 1st party games along with anything Sony and Nintendo have. You might not enjoy those games, but the majority of gamers acknowledge Halo franchise as one of the best FPS ever made, Gears as one of the best TPS, and Forza as one of the best racing franchise ever. I would take Halo over any 1st party game on any platform, and it's the main reason I game on Xbox today. 

The majority of gamers aren't playing halo/gears/forza though...

Sadly, the majority is playing CoD and Fortnite. I enjoyed all three, but not anymore. Maybe Halo Infinite can bring the magic back, Gears was awesome but should really have been replaced by something new by now. Forza is only good as horizon nowadays.

I would love to see PGR make a comeback, Rallisport Challenge, Fable (go back to its roots), Alan Wake, Dead Rising (back to its roots), Viva Pinata, Blinx the the sweeper. But most of all, see MS make a commitment to VR and Bring HL: Alyx to Series X.

With how saturated the market is now, they aren't reach the same numbers like they were during the 360 days with Halo and Gears, except I would say FH4 is more popular than any Forza game before, but all these franchises are still in the top played every week on Xbox and still see high engagement.  

Forza is Horizon at this point, which is not a bad thing at all and good for the franchise imo. I hope Halo Infinite single player is excellent. With Halo's multiplayer being F2P I have a hard time believing it will do poorly with engagement, unless they mess it up really bad, but I don't think they will based on how they have handled MCC and Halo 5's multiplayer. 

The Coalition needs to finish up the current Gears trilogy before moving on. Gears 6 is definitely happening and I'm looking forward to it, but I hope they do something new after because they are a very talented studio that need to try some new things.