Yep it is pretty odd that Sony is having all these rumors of bad yield, consoles burning in manufacturing and last minute redesign when they already put up devkits for more than 1 year, have games running on PS5 every since the formal review... but MS is just "target HW".

The one in July wasn`t really clear if it was year end or fiscal year end... but anyway the 15M is showing first time in this new rumor. The rumor mill for PS5 price, quantity, yield, redesign, etc have been running crazy because Sony is giving information in very specific shows and not really talking to reporters every day like MS been having news in VGC daily.

Of course you would give credence on bad rumor for Sony. But what do you think of the fact that couple months away from launch we haven`t seem a single game really running on Xbox Series X (just "target hw"), while Sony have plenty, and only 20 titles "confirmed" to be optimized for Series X? This is official info from their events and the video that was going to be Series S announcement.

Exactly, production is not the same as shipments. Since PS4 shipped 7.5 million between Nov 2013 and March 2014, actual production was probably closer to 10 million as Daniel Ahmad stated.

Another factor that I don't think anyone here has mentioned yet is regions. PS4 launched on Nov 15 in North America; Nov 29 in Europe; and Feb 22, 2014 in Japan. I'm thinking we will get the PS5 details tomorrow, but Sony last said that they were aiming for an actual worldwide launch. That wouldn't mean the same day of course, but to me that at least implies all major territories (NA, Europe, Japan) launching in 2020 within a month or so of each other.

Well said. And that echos my thoughts exactly.

You seem to think that power determines how well something sells. You should look at the switch. You also seem to think that sony and MS are on level footing. They simply are not. 

Besides, what this report confirms is just that it shouldn't be taken seriously. As Rol said above, Sony has not announced any official guidance with regards to their shipment totals for the year for the PS5. Mind you, they have done so for the PS4. This is like saying something is delayed when a date was never announced to begin with.

Also, potential shipments is a moving target. And has absolutely nothing to do with any hardware team. It's derivative of a number of factors, component availability, competition, price...etc. Sony could have started off with a conservative 6M knowing that would be an easy target to hit, readjusted it to 15M when they were informed that yields are better and that prices of DRAM and NAND flash have fallen, then readjusted it again when told that yields aren't as good as promised. Nothing they could do about that. They aren't the ones making the APU at all. They have lofty goals and expectations, that's the only reason stuff like this is even making the rounds. 

If sony manages to ship 11Munits by March 2021 and sells through that lot around the same time or in April and MS only manages to ship and sell 5M, would you still see this as sony not being on the ball?

That 38CUs thing is bullshit on borderline impossible lol. GPUs (especially AMD stuff doesn't work that way. You can't have 10 WGPs active workgroups in one shader engine then have 9 active in the other.

You hear anyone peddling rumors like that and you know its just nonsense. 

That is the great pleasure of rumor mill, they enjoy the fact that there is no official information and may cook whatever they want. And if Sony for any reason give a forecast of units on the 16th the rumor mill will say that was adjusted because of X or Z. Same with price or anything else. And the rumor guys seem to have taken a special pleasure of making all rumor negative.

Give this is a shot...hell,do it on this forum :). Create two threads.

1. PS5 APU and SSD expected to perform above expectations.
2. PS5 APU and SSD rumored to be causing problems.

See which of those two threads generates more traffic. :)

I do remember creating some rumor threads like that to verify it. Most certainly we would see some very know users jumping around on the 2.

We do know that every positive SSD news had people complaining that only Sony was being praised by it and that it would only mean 2s faster loading compared to MS.

Oh that SSDthing lol... another way o pick ut who knows what they are talking about and who is just being an echo chamber.

Anyone that says PS5 SSD would just bring 2x faster load times has no idea what they are saying. Its just like with MSDX12 sampler feedback that's a component of the XSX/S velocity architecture. Its how MS can make their claim that having an SSD dislike having more RAM. What it does basically reduces how many textures need to be flushed or pulled into RAM, basically allowing for more efficient use of RAM and a reduced need for storage bandwidth. This is something that the PS5 also does with its GPU scrubbers.

Truth is, the PS5 SSD actually has other specialized hardware that makes it act more like RAM than an SSD. And if anyone knows what that means they would know that it means a lot more than just faster loading times. Its kinda like the extra GPU grunt on the XSX, its not something that you can't use. They don't get that's the same with the PS5 and IO tech, its not something you can't use. It would literally make developing your game easier on the PS5.

Had a flashback to this. PS2 had chip shortages at launch.

Wow. They wanted to ship 15 million through March. That is nuts. Even if they get 11 million out there that should be plenty, they'll still probably have a couple million sitting around at that point. 15 million would probably get them into next Fall.

Even more absurd of a plan given it was reported that Sony freaked out over the pricing of Xbox and apparently had to slash their planned price of PS5 because Xbox came in at a lower price than they had thought.

At least at 11 million through March there should be plenty of supply for everyone to get one with plenty left on store shelves.

I’m rolling my eyes at your first comment. Please, you don’t have to educate me on the importance of brand over specs. The power narrative does apply to the niche core gamers that care about their multiplats. The vocal minority. Everything helps, power and price of Series S will ensure the gap initially  won’t be as wide. 

I’m allowed to say the shifting shipment projections are a bit much, it’s fair to say. And by hardware teams I was referring to the chip yield aspect. By being on the ball I mean having a flawless hardware production, not rumors like this. Selling on their brand power is not the point at all I was making.