Like I said, I was and still am against the wars in the middle east, they were farces for material gain and most western nations will now be pulling out large chunks of Chinas economy which is great for self reliance but extremly bad for the CCP's temperament. War sucks hard, it's a fucking awful situation but sometimes it is entirely necessary cause China won't change from the inside, you know that as well as I do the people are locked down hard and well and truly indoctrinated and passive, it's 1984 in that place and only marginally better than North Korea although they have more freedom but on the flipside China do a way better job of balancing that slight freedom with an iron fist through deception and manipulation.

Taking Chinas regime down before they take the world and impose their way of life will saves tens of billions from having to endure under that regime not to mention Muslims being the next Jews and are exterminated slowly like they currently are in China. Hitler didn't go straight to death camps, it started much like this and eventually the only option the CCP will be left with to rid themselves of disent from Muslims is genocide. I have my problems with the Muslim religion but I'd fight to see them free and alive because no group deserves that shit.

Covid or no Covid, either China backs down, gets back to acting whitin their own borders or the West is left with no option but to fight for each others way of life. We've seen the sides form over the last decade or two, clear unions and there is no point left anynore of kicking the can down the road, it's happening at some point so we might as well get it over and done with once the virus is dealth with cause freedom, the environment, human rights, religion are all worth the price to be paid.

Anyway, it's not up to us so there is fuck all point of discussing it cause it boils down to you being opposed and me being for it, lets see the decisions the powers that be make and who gets whom to take up sides out of the nations that are left. So what's the point, lets see where the cards fall over the next few years, hell, we might not even see boots on the ground style war or even a cold war fought by proxies and instead something totally new in cyberwarfare... well not so new as it's happening now and it's post STUXNET, fuck know what that battlefeild actually looks like. 

I am not so sure about that. There are a couple of things that I want to note here. The people in China say what the CCP wants them to say. It is not a free state, so there is no way of knowing how content they are with the status quo. Besides, you're talking about improvement to their lives, but even there we don't know. CCP for example claims that there is no poverty in China, how? They lowered the poverty level to 4 dollars a week. There is huge corruption there, public humiliations, punishments for things that go against party lines like watching porn, bad food hygiene, big child kidnapping numbers, violence against foreigners, horrible working conditions, bad healthcare and reliance on bogus Chinese medicine. The list goes on and on of the problems in that country. And if you ask me what a good example is, I'd say go look at Taiwan. Another Chinese country (in practice) that doesn't have those issues.

No, I definitely think that there is no other way but to sanction that country in order to topple that party. Same goes with Russia with Putin. I think appeasing them will not change anything, better yet I think it will only get worse.

China is solely responsible for the outbreak in the first place.  It originated in Wuhan.  Tell me this, when China put Wuhan into lockdown, they shut off all travel from that city.  Roads were closed. Trains were shutdown.  They also shut down all domestic flights.  Right? The only thing they didn't shut down were international flights out of Wuhan, that was the only way out of the city, and 5 million people left that way.

Both seem equally eager and China is acitvely preparing and the poking and proding during a pandemic is a clear sign they are keen on the idea, hopefully provoking I would imagine so they can get more international support. 

The US is not a failing power, they were stronger than they ever were the month before the pandemic and looked to be on a continuing strength. Now with them pulling their dick out of China they will only increase in strength while China looses economical strengths simultaneously with so many countries eager to get out and quit the outsourcing. China know this and that's why so many analysts think this will be Chinas time to do the grab, right after the pandemic clears but not long enough to loose that strength. 

There are many types of war the US and China could engage in short of troops on the ground but this particular thread is concerning a cold war and there are so many nations that can be curently used as proxy, The US are already in Veneuzalla under the guise of a drug war which is a brittle front for what it actually is. I'd prefer they go to a full on hot war and pull the plaster off, have it over quick and fast instead of ending up with another Korea and Vietnam situation... wouldn't you? The topic of the thread, like, Do we really need a cold war? I say no, we need a hot war. Quick and fast and a good boom after, instead of decades long mess with the threath og nuclear war looming as the threats fly. 

As long as we have the freedom to be the monkies we want to be we won't need to use the sticks and stones. If China expands and imposes it's will on the world the suffering will be greater and more drawn out than any war. Our recent ancestors gave up their lives to protect our freedoms, the least we could do is not let those freedoms slip away to the monstrosity of a machine that is China. 

The cost of pushing China back within their borders heavily outways the cost of and the lives lost. I don't think many people in this thread who've replied to me realise the threat of China and how much they have manipulated western society, there is a clear end game visable in their approach, it's an invasion through corporate, technological and ideological means. But hey, China numba wan, right! No one fights and someday we will have to agree with that statment or risk being disappeared. At least the social credit system will make life more fun, we as gamers might actually succeed at the cost of all dignity and we give up games entirely of course. 

Fixed it for you

You don't topple regimes with sanctions. You only hurt the common people. Examples are Iran, Venezuela, Russia and NK. And you don't change nations with wars by getting rid of stable regimes. Examples are all regimes US toppled like Iraq, Libya, etc. Only internal change brings betterment to regimes, that includes oligarchic ones like US and Russia and dictatorial ones like China and Saudi Arabia.