In 10 years, I am certain many of us are going to enjoy seeing what Chinese expansionism into Africa will look like. But like so many authoritarian regimes, its destined to fail at some point.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
In 10 years, I am certain many of us are going to enjoy seeing what Chinese expansionism into Africa will look like. But like so many authoritarian regimes, its destined to fail at some point.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
Soundwave said: The freaking Taliban outlasted the US in Afghanistan, China is not some back water military power. In Vietnam the US got punched in the face and eventually decided they didn't want any more. The US does not have the stomach to be in a war with China, they want wars to be easy and short and that would not be the case. |
You may not know this but China fought Vietnam shortly after the US-Vietnam war and lost as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
Vietnam was able to continue to impose their will on the Khmer Rouge after the Chinese conflict which was their aim.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
hunter_alien said
Is China any better? Who knows, but hey, at least they did not go around the world and bombed millions in the name of a failed ideal |
Ok, let's play along. Which country is China's closest ally? On the other hand, which country is the USA's closest ally? Canada? UK? Israel?...etc.
Also, in WW2, the USA fought against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, today those countries are some of the closest allies to the USA. Again, I ask a question: What countries are allied to China?
Last edited by Nighthawk117 - on 25 May 2020John2290 said:
Both seem equally eager and China is acitvely preparing and the poking and proding during a pandemic is a clear sign they are keen on the idea, hopefully provoking I would imagine so they can get more international support. The US is not a failing power, they were stronger than they ever were the month before the pandemic and looked to be on a continuing strength. Now with them pulling their dick out of China they will only increase in strength while China looses economical strengths simultaneously with so many countries eager to get out and quit the outsourcing. China know this and that's why so many analysts think this will be Chinas time to do the grab, right after the pandemic clears but not long enough to loose that strength. There are many types of war the US and China could engage in short of troops on the ground but this particular thread is concerning a cold war and there are so many nations that can be curently used as proxy, The US are already in Veneuzalla under the guise of a drug war which is a brittle front for what it actually is. I'd prefer they go to a full on hot war and pull the plaster off, have it over quick and fast instead of ending up with another Korea and Vietnam situation... wouldn't you? The topic of the thread, like, Do we really need a cold war? I say no, we need a hot war. Quick and fast and a good boom after, instead of decades long mess with the threath og nuclear war looming as the threats fly. |
What in the what? I don't think we live in the same reality. I disagree with almost all your opinions of course but I don't think you have the facts straight either. First of all, countries aren't eager to stop their relationship with China. Many are reluctant and doing it because of the US, but rarely are any of them eager.
Secondly, the US is a falling empire. It lost every conflict it took part in, it's domestically becoming worse and worse, it's institutions becoming weaker, stupid inept leadership is emerging, people are losing confidence in all institutions, other countries are laughing at or pitying Americans.
Thirdly, your so called "hot war" or as the rest of us call it, a war, is more dangerous and more likely to result in nukes falling and only benefits the rich oligarchs and no one else. Even they might not like it because it will start WW3 and might be the end of the US and China.
Fourthly, there is no indication China is eager to participate in any war, much less with it's most valuable trading partner.
Sorry but we can't have a discussion when we don't even look at reality the same way. Your points to me look like you are saying it's right while pointing left.
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Nighthawk117 said:
Ok, let's play along. Which country is China's closest ally? On the other hand, which country is the USA's closest ally? Canada? UK? Israel?...etc. Also, in WW2, the USA fought against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, today those countries are some of the closest allies to the USA. Again, I ask a question: What countries are allied to China? |
Imagine giving Israel as an example of a good country to ally with. But to answer your question and not to say whether the ally is good or bad, the answer is easy. Pakistan, NK, Russia, Bangladesh, a lot of South and Central America, Central Asia, a lot of African countries, Sri Lanka, Nepal. Not commenting on the goodness or badness of these countries though.
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mrstickball said: In 10 years, I am certain many of us are going to enjoy seeing what Chinese expansionism into Africa will look like. But like so many authoritarian regimes, its destined to fail at some point. |
I mean just look at how the US is starting to fail before our very eyes.
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John2290 said:
I'm not American and I will dare, A whole generation of young men from western allied nations gave up their lives so I could dare and you could disagree and their sons and the sons of their sons fought to protect it and save our future arses from the communism in the decades after as from nuclear war before mutually assured distruction was on the table. And yes, there is a clear goal in the manipulation to destabilise and cause confusion. They are attacking from within and if you don't believe me, have a look at the most recent few months on covid alone and how they managed to manipulate US citizens to seed fear but do a dive and find the countless other attempts they've been exposed of before covid, just the times they've been caught and exposed, mind. Like I said, I am against those wars and the murder for oil in the middle east. This is vastly different, it's the difference in how we get to live not with what we get to live. It's not material and it's something you can't easily get back without a generation or many generations suffering in the attempt. It's akin to letting fascism run a much a century ago and there were plenty like you back then who thought fascism would be something that could co exist, it was as devisive as letting China do their thing but we all know how that went. Like it or not, China and the West can't exist together when the west pulls out, one has to go or one has to pull back to the nation level. Trump and co might do it but it's very unlikely in his timeframe for office and the CCP have all the time they need with no tricky managment changes to work around, they can pull off a near Orwellian siuation on the world given enough time and by near I mean almost exactly. They already have managed it near well enough on their own people and you can see those tendrils grabbing onto the rest of the world if you just look, just take the time to research and access it. |
You really need to lay off the propaganda. And this is coming from someone that would rather have a US hegemony led status quo rather than a Chinese one.
I think it's funny how Americans are so intent on going to war with China in some capacity when China is the country that props the US up. It's kind of like how the US monopolistic businesses propped up European countries in the inter-war period. When the US went down, so did Europe.
If China goes down, the US goes down.
But there are three countries that the world might be better off if they were broken apart: China, Russia, and the US. Those three countries have caused the most strife in the world since WW2.
I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.
Will Asians become more democratic and progressive when they come into contact with Westerners?
It hasn't sunk in yet.