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John2290 said:
SvennoJ said:

What am I apologizing China for?

War is not a solution, only makes things worse for the people you want to save from the CCP. Change has to come from within. As long as the west keeps the CCP in power by caving in for the opportunities they provide, things won't change. Same as the West support(ed) dictators in the Middle East to keep the cheap oil coming. How much better off are Afghanistan and Iraq from the wars...

Like I said, I was and still am against the wars in the middle east, they were farces for material gain and most western nations will now be pulling out large chunks of Chinas economy which is great for self reliance but extremly bad for the CCP's temperament. War sucks hard, it's a fucking awful situation but sometimes it is entirely necessary cause China won't change from the inside, you know that as well as I do the people are locked down hard and well and truly indoctrinated and passive, it's 1984 in that place and only marginally better than North Korea although they have more freedom but on the flipside China do a way better job of balancing that slight freedom with an iron fist through deception and manipulation.

Taking Chinas regime down before they take the world and impose their way of life will saves tens of billions from having to endure under that regime not to mention Muslims being the next Jews and are exterminated slowly like they currently are in China. Hitler didn't go straight to death camps, it started much like this and eventually the only option the CCP will be left with to rid themselves of disent from Muslims is genocide. I have my problems with the Muslim religion but I'd fight to see them free and alive because no group deserves that shit.

Covid or no Covid, either China backs down, gets back to acting whitin their own borders or the West is left with no option but to fight for each others way of life. We've seen the sides form over the last decade or two, clear unions and there is no point left anynore of kicking the can down the road, it's happening at some point so we might as well get it over and done with once the virus is dealth with cause freedom, the environment, human rights, religion are all worth the price to be paid.

Anyway, it's not up to us so there is fuck all point of discussing it cause it boils down to you being opposed and me being for it, lets see the decisions the powers that be make and who gets whom to take up sides out of the nations that are left. So what's the point, lets see where the cards fall over the next few years, hell, we might not even see boots on the ground style war or even a cold war fought by proxies and instead something totally new in cyberwarfare... well not so new as it's happening now and it's post STUXNET, fuck know what that battlefeild actually looks like. 

I'll interject and say I disagree with your entire premise. The lines aren't clearly drawn between west and east and China and US are a lot more intertwined than US and USSR ever were. If China does good, that would mean the west and US are doing good as well and China would love a vibrant and thriving west. China has dealings with all western nations in many avenues from telecoms to even movies and video games like Tencent and even things like the one belt one road initiative. And China's allies work well with US as well. China deals a lot with India for example whose an ally of Russia and US. And Pakistan is so close to China but it's history with US is well known, and many Chinese work in Japan, a US ally. Plus universities in the West are filled with Chinese students. The lines aren't clear at all and many nations would hate to choose sides.

The only way they choose sides is if US or China CHOOSES to start WW3. It's the choice of the super powers and right now, the US seems much more eager for war as a falling empire than China as a rising one.



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