Insurance being a must have is also somewhat questionable, but at the very least you have competition and options.

Were all known addictions today, always known to be addictions? How long before adults always wanting someone else, especially Gov, to solve all their problems becomes an official 'addiction'?

Could smoking potentially, somehow, someway, cause a problem for someone else? So, no more smoking then, period?

Could being obese potentially, somehow, someway, cause a problem for someone else? So, no more over eating and mandatory diets then, period?

Could being pro natural immunity be considered a lifestyle choice? Too bad for everyone else?

Perhaps the public healthcare system suffering because a quarter or more of the pop stops paying into it since they can't be guaranteed service might be even worse? What about the vaxed who still use the service, clogging it up and passing covid infections, still leading to problems for others?

Fauci, the gold standard, said don't bother wearing a mask, then, well maybe you better wear one, then, well maybe you better wear two, and then in his emails he told people don't bother because they really don't do squat. You think that's only relatable to masks?

Why is natural immunity almost never talked about? Why isn't natural immunity part of the vax pass? Is everyone so frail we need non stop meds?

Your particular situation sucks, especially during this time, and I wish you didn't have to go through it, but trying to make everyone else do what you want them to, for your own benefit, isn't the way to convince them, if what is being offered is so clearly useful and good for them.

Do we really want to live in a world where everyone is forced to live on a strict diet? Can't stand the taste of this food so much so that it can at times make you throw it back up? Too bad. It's good for you says the professionals. Eat it or starve. That'll teach those ungrateful people, right?

So diversity is a problem when if comes to illness, so get rid of it, but when it comes to food which is also a problem, leave it alone and keep it. Can't have your cake and eat it too in this case. One or the other, and yes, it's a difficult choice in general, and extremely difficult for some unfortunately.

Germany is basically fucked going into the holidays:

If anyone wonders about the weird colors: initially the colorscale reached to red for the worst regions. As infections grew they started to add colors, over violet to black, but even that wasn't enough, so now we have grey and white as even worse colors. So the regions in red are the ones with the lowest infections currently, yet they use the color which was reserved for the worst initially.

Society is indeed difficult. That's why we have many rules that constantly change over time. When I was a kid seat belts were not a thing yet for passengers in the rear seat. Smoking was allowed everywhere, my mother was smoking next to the hospital bed my grandfather was succumbing to cancer in, on an open floor. (Unrelated cancer, but ironic nonetheless) Cars didn't have / require catalytic converters yet, alcohol was sold at gas stations, fridges were made with CFCs, speed limits were higher, wheelchair ramps were a rarity.

Society is continually evolving, adjusting to new challenges as populations are growing. We got rid of the measles through vaccines, reduced health risks by banning smoking in public places, improved traffic safety with new rules, improved the environment with new requirements, improved equality by providing facilities for the disabled. 

Covid-19 is just another new challenge, except the pace of change required to deal with a pandemic is 100x greater than with other issues. It took decades to get where we are with smoking today. Yet not having to walk through or sit in clouds of second hand smoke is now considered normal. You can still drive old cars without catalytic converters, but you pay extra for the privilege. Speed limits have been reduced to improve traffic safety for all. Food is regulated to prevent salmonella outbreaks, and also the types of sugar, fat and cholesterol are regulated to prevent obesity and heart disease. Vaccination is the norm from birth so people can live closer together without risking outbreaks of deadly diseases.

The only difference with Covid-19 is the speed at which change has to happen. Change happens all the time, but it takes time for people to adjust. Too much time in this case. But that's what is asked from you to reap the benefits of living in a society. You are of course free to choose to go live off-grid and do what you want, or apply to live in a different society. Yet if you live in a society, you're part of that society and are expected not to endanger others around you.

Choosing not to get vaccinated is endangering the lives of others.

And think about why we have vaccine passes now. All these extra costs are here because a lot of people refuse to get vaccinated. You can't force people, you can't keep everyone on lock down indefinitely hurting the economy more with everyone in it, thus we're stuck with annoying vaccine passports both as pressure to get vaccinated and to allow those that did get vaccinated to be able to get back to a more 'normal' life.

Choosing not to get vaccinated is now further hurting the economy and quality of life for all.

-That's exactly what happened, smoking is no longer allowed in or near any public places.

Someone walking down the street past you can be smoking and can give you cancer because of it. Why not a 50 ft rule at all times? Smoking laws also aren't as universally global either.

-Some airlines make you pay for an extra seat if too obese, since you're causing a problem for the person having the seat next to you. However you don't directly hurt other people by overeating. While you're not forced to go on a diet (which doesn't help in most extreme cases anyway) society is not changing to accommodate 600 pound plus human beings. Very different from other handicaps which facilities are legally obliged to accommodate.
-Btw food is being regulated, and school lunches are under scrutiny to promote healthier eating.

Not everyone is as naturally healthy and would have to struggle to remain fit. Should these people really be punished? If so, why not punish others with other health struggles?

If an obese individual is driving down the road, chewing on a leg of KFC, has a heart attack, crashes into oncoming me, and (severely) injures me, well I'd say that's hurting other people. So much for seatbelts.

Fast food chains are still making record profits. Some of the more 'healthy' chains are being found to have less healthy ingredients than you'd expect. I see no reason why we can't formulate a weekly meal layout and force everyone to eat it. As long as it's done by the pro's and they say it's best for everyone.

-Indeed too bad for everyone else, anti vaxxers bringing measles back is a problem.

JT brought sexy back, and just when we thought the feminists had finally won. That toxic masculinity, or femininity?.. I tell ya. That lifestyle choice has got to go... So many important problems to solve, so many to choose and others to disregard.

-Paying taxes is not a choice. You still get healthcare, but why should healthcare be exempt from paying for your own negligence. If you get into an accident without wearing a seatbelt, you get patched up, and then get a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. If you don't get vaxxed and you get covid-19, get hospital care, plus a fine for not getting the freely available vaccine. Sounds reasonable to me.

Tell that to the billionaires who get away without paying them for years and years.

$50 fine for not being vaxed if you require healthcare? Ok, but then if they choose to get the vax, and something negative happens to them, they better be able to sue for millions if not tens without any bogus laws that allow a free pass to the health provider. You ok with that since you'll end up paying part of that bill?

-Masks mostly reduce the spread by reducing the outflow of the virus from an infected person. Cloth masks don't do as much to stop you from getting it, but still help. The data is there, compare places with and without mask wearing mandates.

If it still helps then there's a lot of little things that need to be done quickly when it comes to everything. Like food consumption. Forced meal plans and forced diet plans. Forced sky high gas prices and carbon taxes. Forced electrification of everything now, not later, since we don't have time. Every little bit helps everyone and the system. People can figure out how to live with it or go live in the woods.

-Because there is no way to reliably test the strength of someone's natural immunity. Nor can you even get an anti body test here. And sadly the drug companies are not interested in creating such a measuring test as there is no money in it for them. Governments are already 20 trillion more into debt from the pandemic and will stick to the current 'solution'. Money comes first sadly.

Studies have been done and show natural immunity is stronger and lasts longer than a double dose of the vax. 'We have to do what big pharma says along with the geniuses in Gov', is not a reason why people should have to take an injection. A certain race knows that kinda thing all to well, unfortunately.

-Nonsense, overeating has nothing to do with the taste of food.

That's like saying a video gaming addiction has nothing to do with how fun the games are.

-Society is indeed difficult. That's why we have many rules that constantly change over time. When I was a kid seat belts were not a thing yet for passengers in the rear seat. Smoking was allowed everywhere, my mother was smoking next to the hospital bed my grandfather was succumbing to cancer in, on an open floor. (Unrelated cancer, but ironic nonetheless) Cars didn't have / require catalytic converters yet, alcohol was sold at gas stations, fridges were made with CFCs, speed limits were higher, wheelchair ramps were a rarity.

Society is continually evolving, adjusting to new challenges as populations are growing. We got rid of the measles through vaccines, reduced health risks by banning smoking in public places, improved traffic safety with new rules, improved the environment with new requirements, improved equality by providing facilities for the disabled. 

Covid-19 is just another new challenge, except the pace of change required to deal with a pandemic is 100x greater than with other issues. It took decades to get where we are with smoking today. Yet not having to walk through or sit in clouds of second hand smoke is now considered normal. You can still drive old cars without catalytic converters, but you pay extra for the privilege. Speed limits have been reduced to improve traffic safety for all. Food is regulated to prevent salmonella outbreaks, and also the types of sugar, fat and cholesterol are regulated to prevent obesity and heart disease. Vaccination is the norm from birth so people can live closer together without risking outbreaks of deadly diseases.

The only difference with Covid-19 is the speed at which change has to happen. Change happens all the time, but it takes time for people to adjust. Too much time in this case. But that's what is asked from you to reap the benefits of living in a society. You are of course free to choose to go live off-grid and do what you want, or apply to live in a different society. Yet if you live in a society, you're part of that society and are expected not to endanger others around you.

Choosing not to get vaccinated is endangering the lives of others.

And think about why we have vaccine passes now. All these extra costs are here because a lot of people refuse to get vaccinated. You can't force people, you can't keep everyone on lock down indefinitely hurting the economy more with everyone in it, thus we're stuck with annoying vaccine passports both as pressure to get vaccinated and to allow those that did get vaccinated to be able to get back to a more 'normal' life.

Choosing not to get vaccinated is now further hurting the economy and quality of life for all.

Alcohol is more widely available again, since it's so 'healthy', and not all speed limits are the same worldwide, and some roads still don't have limits.

We're also improving some people's health with the vax, and smoking, driving, and the environment still cause plenty of problems and will continue to.

Vax at birth is to help the individual, which in turn can vastly help the whole for certain specific illnesses.

The only difference is instead of being offered a shot, like the flu, covid is basically being forced on everyone. Think of all the people who've died since the flu shot was available, and all that had to be done was force everyone worldwide to take it. Why hasn't that still happened? All we had to do was wait for covid to show up and it got rid of the flu and common cold anyway, until it decides to reappear apparently. Why don't we just offer optional covid shots and just wait for the next thing to come along and make covid disappear?

Everyone is always potentially endangering someone else. Thinking you can be in public and be risk free doesn't and won't ever exist on Earth as humans.

Have they figured out exactly how covid came to be? Is the vax pass really because some people won't get jabbed? It would also be the perfect transition method to a social credit card/pass. One that everyone has to abide by worldwide. That doesn't sound like, 'go do whatever you want over there' to me.

The brainiacs in Gov are the reason the economy is hurting and yes it's diminishing everyone's quality of life.

Keep on stretching your arguments, however facts are not backing you up. See the post above, "The regions with the highest infection rates are also the ones with the lowest vaccination rates in Germany." and that's not just in Germany, and also applies to the hospitalization and death rates.

How much evidence do you need?

And btw "That's like saying a video gaming addiction has nothing to do with how fun the games are."

That's a true statement, although little instead of nothing. Video game addiction is dopamine addiction.
https://www.brainandlife.org/articles/how-do-video-games-affect-the-developing-brains-of-children/
Which comes from all the little rewards that game companies exploit so well in loot boxes etc. Which is why governments are now starting to regulate these things. Grinding in games is not fun game play, but it is addictive. The most fun games are those you play together with friends, the most addictive are those you grind on your own. Dangerously over eating has little to do with the taste of food.

When I see my kid get 'addicted' to one of those Roblox 'click' 'click' 'click' games to see numbers increase I always ask him, are you having fun. Then after a bit he acknowledges that, no it's actually not fun. He and his nephew actually have auto clickers installed to click for them and leave it running to see what the numbers have gotten up to after getting back from school. That's not fun, but they sure know how to get kids addicted.

Currently he's building in Minecraft again, left Roblox behind. The dopamine reward of creating things is at least something I can get behind. And he plays it moderately as all that planning and building actually takes effort and makes him take a break. The older one is addicted to Rust, playing with his school friends online. At least he's playing with his friends, and he admits solo, it's not a fun game. And easy to walk away from since the server resets every month, you lose everything anyway by design. But certainly something to keep an eye on.


In the latest fun developments, we're now going to send 11 million rapid test kits to schools to take home over the holidays for voluntary self testing. Unreliable tests with the idea that giving everyone 5 self test kits is going to even out the results... Imo, might as well burn that money. It would be more useful to work on better ventilation standards. (In my oldest's classroom it was a fan in a window, the fan broke down and now it's freezing outside...)
https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2021/11/18/ontario-giving-students-rapid-covid-19-tests-to-take-home-over-holiday-break.html

One story of the many
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/i-won-t-be-here-next-year-canadians-robbed-of-life-by-delayed-diagnoses-amid-pandemic-1.5671500

Austria breaking the way to vaccine mandates
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/facing-surge-austria-will-mandate-covid-19-shots-lock-down-1.5672903

Austria announced a new national lockdown and a plan to mandate vaccinations as coronavirus infections hit a record high Friday, forcing the government to walk back promises that such blanket shutdowns were a thing of the past.

Imposing a mandate would give Austria one of the world's most stringent vaccine requirements. Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said those who didn't comply would likely be fined but gave no other details.

The moves come as vaccinations in Austria have plateaued at one of the lowest rates in Western Europe and as hospitals in heavily hit states have warned that their intensive care units are reaching capacity.

LOL! Grasping at straws at a whole new level. Keep them coming!

In the meantime we have unvaccinated people trying to get corona so they won't be denied access when things are going to be strickter again.
why not just get the vaccine then? just being obtuse or aren't they seeing the irony in it?

Keep on only selecting certain points, while seemingly not taking them seriously. Picking and choosing is part of the problem as I've said.

I was taking a family member to the hospital for cancer treatments during the first 6 months or so of the pandemic. The hospital had started focusing on covid patients then and only existing patients could remain. As time went on with the treatments, it was getting less and less busy and the nurses said the hospital wasn't that busy at all, yet the news said hospitals were overwhelmed. This was in Hamilton. My old man sold a piece of equipment to someone about that time who mentioned their daughter was a nurse in Toronto and their hospital was non stop jam packed. So why weren't certain hospitals allowed to focus far less on covid or not at all and only non covid? What about everyone else who suffered and died who weren't covid patients, who were supposed to receive their 'free' taxed healthcare? Thanks for paying into the system to save some others, but you can suffer or die now. Oh well...

Pushing to force the vax too far, like some others are all for, will lead to the same kind of outcome as those who couldn't get medical treatment due to the covid focus, and likely far worse. Wouldn't the point of forcing the vax be to save people? Just like those who couldn't get medical treatment who suffered or died because covid was so much more important, supposedly, the same kind type of outcome would happen if the vax is forced beyond a certain point. Select to save some, while knowingly allowing others to suffer and die who likely wouldn't need to. That's the type of thinking that allows everyone in a potential life and death situation to justify just about anything, and that's not a place anyone wants it to go. Nukes aren't used first, they're a last resort, and for good reason. People have forgotten what happens when you push the wrong entity too far.

How about Gibraltar? So highly vaxed, yet, still such a problem with cases. How can that possibly be? Cancel Xmas? Why not, since everyone is, so safe now?

Christmas Celebrations Cancelled in Most Vaccinated Area in the World as Cases Spike (newsweek.com)

Gibraltar proves that vaccination does not stop Covid - by Live Beyond Borders - LBB's Newsletter (substack.com)

Yet hurray Austria for forcing the vax where like other highly vaxed area's, it's still not going to solve the problem. What then? 3rd, 4th, 5th boosters? Maybe we'll have the small pox pandemic by then like Gates has mentioned? I mean he was right about the upcoming covid pandemic as well coincidentally, wasn't he?

Your source states only 81% of the relevant population is vaccinated, so similar to some other countries. Your sources still support vaccinations.

"only 2.1% of the 739 residents, who tested positive for Covid, ended up in hospital, and not a single person died"

As has been stated a million times already, vaccines don't prevent Covid, they prevent severe cases. And even then, they aren't perfect.

The bigger issue with Gibraltar and many countries is one thing: complacency.

Guarantee you that the higher number of cases is due to

A: Vaccines effect wearing off------> Get booster

and

B: People stopped wearing masks-------> Wear your masks!

I am sure Gibraltar people  and even the government heard the hype of being the most vaccinated in the world, and thought going back to normal would not lead to a rise in cases and thus more lockdowns.

Everyone is relevant aren't they? Exclusivity is negativity.

How do you know it was the vax that saved them? It's not possible to live through a covid infection being unvaxed?

I support injections as well.

Whatever type of injection for whatever your own personal goal may be, virus defense, pregnancy, whatever you want, I'm all for it. If you don't want a jab, or two, then no problem, don't take one. Your body, your choice.

People were guaranteed two weeks to stop the spread. They were guaranteed less lockdowns, regulations, suffering, death, for wearing masks. They were guaranteed just two jabs to end covid. They were guaranteed new leadership would stop the virus in it's tracks in no time. Yet here we are.

I am highly confident that nothing, absolutely nothing, is guaranteed. Whether facts are produced or not.